jozmak at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 18:20:52 UTC 2007
On Dec 18, 2007 3:16 PM, Vincent <imnotb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18/12/2007, jmak <jozmak at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> I just managed to get this out of my spambox before I emptied it. Perhaps it
> also landed in spam for other Gmail users.
> > Yesterday, ubuntu's art direction notes were released. The design and
> > the direction of the outlined solutions are outstanding. Hopefully,
> > they manage to solve all the outstanding issues presented in the
> > specifications. Suggestion: let's syncronize xubuntu's visual
> > development with these specifications, as much as possible.
> Sounds cool to me, and plastic looks good too. Can't see to clearly what it
> is that they did different, it's just darker I guess. Looks good in any
> > You can read the specs here:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals
> > As you noticed from the specs, the new design direction is to move
> > away from the glossy interface toward a flatter more plastic
> > interface. This is the direction, I suggest for xubuntu development as
> > well. This will require changes in the gtk theming, icon theming,
> > window manager theming, among others. I already have some ideas; soon,
> > I will put together a mockup for further discussion.
> > But in order to be able to proceed, we have to settle a few issues
> > right at the beggining. These are:
> > 1) Panels. I conclude from the previous discussions that the dual
> > panel setup will remain. But we still have to hammer out an optimal
> > panel size and panel color.
> Isn't colour decided by the GTK theme?
> > 2) GTK themes. As you see, ubuntu designers want a completely new gtk
> > design. Not sure yet, but they also use the murrina engine, that we
> > are already using. The gtk theme is so unique that it is unlikely that
> > we can find something even remotely similar to that among the
> > available stock designs. So, one of the possibility would be talking
> > to the author and ask him to create a color variations for xubuntu.
> Haha, we were earlier to adopt the awesome Murrine engine than Ubuntu - take
> that! :P
> Seriously though, if that would possible I suppose it would be great :)
> > 3) The icon theme. Possible candidates, crashbit and oxyGnome. Here is
> > a screenshot:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Xubuntu/GutsyIdeas
> > I personally prefer oxygnome becase they are not glossy but more
> > plastic like, exactly that we want. And also very complete.
> If it matches the GTK theme, fine with me.
> > 4) Icon label backgrounds. This is something we already discussed a
> > few months ago but haven't decided what to do about them. For me,
> > these are one of the most annoying visual distractions in xubuntu.
> > Ideas: get rid of them completely. In the mean time, create an entry
> > in the documentation that explains users how to change the font colors
> > of the icons. This is in fact very easy and I think is well within the
> > expertise even for less experienced users. The other possibility would
> > be to write a simple graphical configurator something like the murrina
> > configurator.
> Changing the font colours isn't really an option for me, since I have a
> different wallpaper everytime I login. The labels are more suitable in cases
How would you overcome this problem in gnome or kde where there are no
> like that. Just my two cents.
> > 5) Wallpaper. Dark-blue, multicolor? Work in progress.
> > 6) GDM login. Work in progress.
> > 7) Usplash. I've heard anything about it. Still broken? Anyone?
> In my Gutsy installation the screen has a resolution of 1280x1024 while the
> Usplash only takes about 800x600. It's a different kind of black than the
> normal screen-black. Though I have to admit, the logo and progress bar look
> prettier when smaller.
> > Notes: Obviously, we have to work with xfce built in limitations. We
> > won't be able to match all xubuntu design elements exactly to that of
> > ubuntu's. For instance, we wont be able to use panel transparencies,
> > widget transparencies and drop-shadows, because we dont use compiz by
> > default. But we have to strive to create an overall visual appearance
> > that is as close to ubuntu as it can.
> Murrine can now use transparency if compositing is enabled and fallback to
> normal widgets if not:
> Not sure if the version that will come with Hardy already supports it. Would
> be useful, of course :)
> > Please speak up on the issues mentioned above, or add yours to the
> > list, to be able to settle them as quickly as possible.
> > jmak
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