GNOME dependencies

Vincent imnotb at
Fri Aug 10 14:19:49 UTC 2007

On 09/08/07, jmak <jozmak at> wrote:
> On 8/9/07, Jani Monoses <jani.monoses at> wrote:
> > One other argument in favour of GNOME deps. They seem to come whether we
> want them or not,
> > and resisting or working around them is taking up a lot of time. During
> dapper and edgy
> > Gauvain and I spent a lot of time making separate -gtk only packages.
> There were 2 or 3 only
> > and that shows how little you get for much effort if it goes against
> whatever everyone else is
> > doing, in our case upstream GNOME and Ubuntu.
> >
> > Now is anyone using Gutsy already - it's a devel list after all :) if
> you look,
> > evince-gtk is depending on libgnomeui (probably fixable) but the new
> gaim (pidgin) for some reason
> > uses libgnome now and gstreamer. Making a pidgin-gtk package seems to me
> like a lot of waste of time.
> > It would be good to have but it's a lot of work upfront and then
> continual maintenance and bother not
> > only for us but for Ubuntu desktop devels. The other choice is to drop
> gaim because of these dependencies :(
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's Tribe4 with bonobo, libgnome and gstreamer on the CD. At least
> there it does not seem to make a noticable
> > difference :)
> >
> > So as long as we're using the Ubuntu repos there's only so much we can
> do, and we do not have the liberty of
> > Zenwalk or any other independent distro to optimize the packages to the
> bone. For this price we get the
> > long term maintenance, easy upgrade, lots of packages etc advantages of
> Ubuntu.
> >
> I think, we have difficulty figuring out the direction xubuntu should
> go because we have never really devised a clear identity for xubuntu.
> We don't have a clear picture in our heads about xubuntu's status.
> Unlike ubuntu, kubuntu or edubuntu. Ubuntu is a user oriented
> operating system with the gnome desktop, Kubuntu is the same thing but
> with kde, edubuntu is a gnome based os targeting educational
> institutions. With these flavors everything is crystal clear.
> Xubuntu's situation is ambiguous. We don't know exactly who we are
> targeting. Slow computers? Maybe, but as xfce gets sexier, an
> increasing number of people use it on high end machines as well. In
> this year, for instance, I've installed xubuntu on three machines with
> dual core processors with 2 gig ram because customers preferred
> xubuntu to ubuntu. All in all, we can only come to an agreement if we
> first, chart a path for xubuntu, the way ubuntu or kubuntu developers
> did. After that everything will fall into its place much more easily,
> otherwise these kind of debates will persist and development suffers;
> ambiguity doesn't help the development of anything.

I totally agree with this. With what in mind was Xubuntu started?

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