more than 128 M needed for liveCD

Tue Nov 7 17:06:12 UTC 2006

I was talking about the detection of hardware and stuff like that.

On 11/7/06, Adam Miller <maxamillion at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Xubuntu developers do more than just wrapping xfce with ubuntu and
> making an iso out of it. There are certain applications that are ported away
> from their gnome-lib dependencies in order to make them run faster and on a
> smaller memory footprint. There is also streamlining of our live cd and
> standard installation as compared to the other alternative *Ubuntu flavors.
> I don't know the details because I am not that in tuned with the dev cycle
> (yet) but I do understand and am under the impression that the Xubuntu
> development team does as much as they can to make Xubuntu as efficient as
> possible.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 11/7/06, Vincent <imnotb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree, what's wrong with being able to run it on old hardware? It's
> > not the reason I use Xubuntu, but I have no problems with it.
> >
> > On 11/7/06, Cody Somerville <cody.somerville at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I use Xubuntu 6.06 w/ 128 mb of Ram and 333mhz and the desktop
> > > installed works fine for me (though I'm a bit tight for ram and cpu at times
> > > - I can't have all the fancy applets and too many programs running but thats
> > > to be expected of an old PC... it is still better then being forced to run
> > > Windows 98).
> > >
> > > As for the idea to abandon the old hardware persona... I'm not so sure
> > > if this is wise. I think that with only a little bit of effort, we could
> > > easily support 300mhz MMX w/ 128mb and up. As for other old hardware, it'll
> > > just require a bit of glue too. Has the Xubuntu team actually done anything
> > > different from Ubuntu in this regard besides using a lighter desktop
> > > environment? I get the impression that the answer is no but that doesn't
> > > mean it isn't something we can work on for the next release. New linux users
> > > are more likely to run Linux on their old hardware before trying it on their
> > > brand new spanking, high-powered computers... if Xubuntu can offer a
> > > positive experience on the old hardware then they might be more inclined to
> > > migrate to Linux completely. Isn't that what we want? To fix bug #1?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Cody A.W. Somerville
> > >
> > > On 11/7/06, Adam Miller < maxamillion at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Xubuntu has/was never my choice because of old hardware. I run
> > > > Xubuntu on an iBookG4 1GHz w/ 768mb of ram, an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram,
> > > > and an Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram. Xubuntu is wonderful for the fact
> > > > that it is more efficient, less bloated, smoother than the alternatives, has
> > > > a logical window placement algorithm, and mostly just has a more pleasant
> > > > over all user+DE interaction. We owe many thanks to Xfce for a substantial
> > > > amount of this but also we must not forget our Xubuntu devs, they give so
> > > > much in their spare time and it looks as though that the newest ubuntu-base
> > > > or something related has caused the system requirements to be bumped up a
> > > > little. Now while I will be the first to agree that it would be nice to pin
> > > > point why the requirements have gone up and see if it can be fixed, I don't
> > > > see why in the mean time we should be trying to alter what Xubuntu is all
> > > > about...... sorry if this is a little preachy, I just kinda started thinking
> > > > thought my keyboard and didn't stop .... also, my opinion to the "old
> > > > hardware" issue requires me to have a little more information ... thus we go
> > > > to Jani. :)
> > > >
> > > > Jani,
> > > >      If the user runs 128mb and uses the alternate install image, is
> > > > the desktop still usable?
> > > >
> > > > -Adam
> > > >
> > > > On 11/7/06, Harold Aling < h.aling at home.nl> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jani
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 19:09 +0200, Jani Monoses wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Unfortunatley we have a bad regression since dapper. The liveCD will
> > > > > not function properly
> > > > > with 128M of RAM and no swap. This I only noticed in qemu and wrongly
> > > > > assumed (hoped) it's
> > > > > specific to it, but we get bugreports confirming it on real machines.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This sadly makes xubuntu lose one of its selling points :( I have no
> > > > > idea what causes the extra memory
> > > > > use, it may be system-tools-backend which use perl, but I don't know
> > > > > for sure.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I'm working on a local derivative of Edubuntu/Xubuntu for schools, and
> > > > > I've let local people know that we will be using the live cd
> > > > > infrastructure. Some of the more technical people was already unhappy
> > > > > about this because the livecd doesn't have a rescue mode, and the bigger
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > problem they have is that you can't install it on low memory (like
> > > > > 128MB) machines.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I've done to get arround this, is make the default session a little
> > > > > python+glade interface I created, where they can start the installer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > without logging into the Xubuntu session, this allows you to even
> > > > > install it on a computer with a bit less than 128MB RAM, here's a
> > > > > screenshot of the chooser I made:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Perfect!
> > > > >
> > > > > When I install (x)ubuntu on a machine, I don't want/need a
> > > > > complete desktop environment, the installer alone is more than enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I do want a DE, it would be very nice if it would be selectable
> > > > > (on boot)...
> > > > >
> > > > > -H-
> > > > >
> > > > >  http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/dvd (artwork not final
> > > > > yet, it will look way better when it's done).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I showed this to cjwatson, and he suggested that it gets integrated in
> > > > > GDM instead. That gave me an idea for a fix for this problem for Xubuntu
> > > > > too, you could add another session to GDM that will just run ubiquity,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > and make it possible to install on a low-end machine. Otherwise, I'd be
> > > > > glad to share my tool when it's more polished, but at the moment the
> > > > > code isn't very elegant at all. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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