more than 128 M needed for liveCD

Tue Nov 7 15:47:43 UTC 2006

I agree, what's wrong with being able to run it on old hardware? It's not
the reason I use Xubuntu, but I have no problems with it.

On 11/7/06, Cody Somerville <cody.somerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use Xubuntu 6.06 w/ 128 mb of Ram and 333mhz and the desktop installed
> works fine for me (though I'm a bit tight for ram and cpu at times - I can't
> have all the fancy applets and too many programs running but thats to be
> expected of an old PC... it is still better then being forced to run Windows
> 98).
>
> As for the idea to abandon the old hardware persona... I'm not so sure if
> this is wise. I think that with only a little bit of effort, we could easily
> support 300mhz MMX w/ 128mb and up. As for other old hardware, it'll just
> require a bit of glue too. Has the Xubuntu team actually done anything
> different from Ubuntu in this regard besides using a lighter desktop
> environment? I get the impression that the answer is no but that doesn't
> mean it isn't something we can work on for the next release. New linux users
> are more likely to run Linux on their old hardware before trying it on their
> brand new spanking, high-powered computers... if Xubuntu can offer a
> positive experience on the old hardware then they might be more inclined to
> migrate to Linux completely. Isn't that what we want? To fix bug #1?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cody A.W. Somerville
>
> On 11/7/06, Adam Miller <maxamillion at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Xubuntu has/was never my choice because of old hardware. I run Xubuntu
> > on an iBookG4 1GHz w/ 768mb of ram, an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram, and an
> > Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram. Xubuntu is wonderful for the fact that it
> > is more efficient, less bloated, smoother than the alternatives, has a
> > logical window placement algorithm, and mostly just has a more pleasant over
> > all user+DE interaction. We owe many thanks to Xfce for a substantial amount
> > of this but also we must not forget our Xubuntu devs, they give so much in
> > their spare time and it looks as though that the newest ubuntu-base or
> > something related has caused the system requirements to be bumped up a
> > little. Now while I will be the first to agree that it would be nice to pin
> > point why the requirements have gone up and see if it can be fixed, I don't
> > see why in the mean time we should be trying to alter what Xubuntu is all
> > about...... sorry if this is a little preachy, I just kinda started thinking
> > thought my keyboard and didn't stop .... also, my opinion to the "old
> > hardware" issue requires me to have a little more information ... thus we go
> > to Jani. :)
> >
> > Jani,
> >      If the user runs 128mb and uses the alternate install image, is the
> > desktop still usable?
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> > On 11/7/06, Harold Aling < h.aling at home.nl> wrote:
> >
> > >  Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jani
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 19:09 +0200, Jani Monoses wrote:
> > >
> > >  Unfortunatley we have a bad regression since dapper. The liveCD will
> > > not function properly
> > > with 128M of RAM and no swap. This I only noticed in qemu and wrongly
> > > assumed (hoped) it's
> > > specific to it, but we get bugreports confirming it on real machines.
> > >
> > >
> > > This sadly makes xubuntu lose one of its selling points :( I have no
> > > idea what causes the extra memory
> > > use, it may be system-tools-backend which use perl, but I don't know
> > > for sure.
> > >
> > >  I'm working on a local derivative of Edubuntu/Xubuntu for schools, and
> > > I've let local people know that we will be using the live cd
> > > infrastructure. Some of the more technical people was already unhappy
> > > about this because the livecd doesn't have a rescue mode, and the bigger
> > >
> > >
> > > problem they have is that you can't install it on low memory (like
> > > 128MB) machines.
> > >
> > > What I've done to get arround this, is make the default session a little
> > > python+glade interface I created, where they can start the installer
> > >
> > >
> > > without logging into the Xubuntu session, this allows you to even
> > > install it on a computer with a bit less than 128MB RAM, here's a
> > > screenshot of the chooser I made:
> > >
> > >  Perfect!
> > >
> > > When I install (x)ubuntu on a machine, I don't want/need a complete
> > > desktop environment, the installer alone is more than enough.
> > >
> > > If I do want a DE, it would be very nice if it would be selectable (on
> > > boot)...
> > >
> > > -H-
> > >
> > >  http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/dvd (artwork not final
> > > yet, it will look way better when it's done).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I showed this to cjwatson, and he suggested that it gets integrated in
> > > GDM instead. That gave me an idea for a fix for this problem for Xubuntu
> > > too, you could add another session to GDM that will just run ubiquity,
> > >
> > >
> > > and make it possible to install on a low-end machine. Otherwise, I'd be
> > > glad to share my tool when it's more polished, but at the moment the
> > > code isn't very elegant at all. :)
> > >
> > > -Jonathan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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