Hi James, I've only scanned it briefly at this point, but I have one question regarding security. At the moment the spec. states that system events will by default be available to user sessions as well, but I think this is overly permissive. While I can't actually think of a current system event that really must be hidden, I feel that on principle system events should not be visible to user sessions unless explicitly marked as such. I would suggest a change to the new event syntax such that - foo and ::foo are always equivalent, and emit an event only visible within the current upstart namespace (system or user) - :sys:foo and :user:foo are unchanged - :all:foo (or :global:foo or :public:foo) emits an event visible to other upstart namespaces as well Thoughts? Cheers, Evan <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:09 AM, James Hunt <<a href="mailto:james.hunt@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">james.hunt@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Here is the draft plan for 'Enhanced Upstart User Sessions' ([1]), which will be used to supervise desktop sessions in Ubuntu: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions</a> = Summary = Allow Upstart to run as a non-privileged user to supervise a session in an event-based manner. This brings many advantages including: - more dynamic and efficient session startup (desktop services only get started *when required*). - reliable session shutdown. - automatic job output logging. - more efficient use of system resources (helping to maximise battery life for example). Comments Welcome. If you would like to get involved in this project, please let me know. Kind regards, James. [1] - <a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements" target="_blank">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements</a> -- James Hunt ____________________________________ <a href="http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook" target="_blank">http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook</a> <a href="http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/upstart_cookbook.pdf" target="_blank">http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/upstart_cookbook.pdf</a> -- upstart-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:upstart-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">upstart-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/upstart-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/upstart-devel</a> </blockquote></div> </div>