Networking with Upstart and sysvinit scripts

[Steve Langasek]

On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 07:30:03PM +0100, Christian Roessner wrote:
> >Unfortunately these networking fixes have deep interdependencies with other
> >changes to the core system since 10.04, so a backport is not likely.

> I understand you, but 10-04 will be there up to 2015, right? And
> this is still a long time. If you would need testers for a
> backported fix, I am pretty sure, I can find admins that help you to
> really test that change. :-) Me included! :-)

> And still I think that might be done in a PPA for example, so you do
> not need to worry about support or something like that, but you
> would stabilize the LTS release.

This is largely not a question of testing, but of how we make best use of
our limited developer resources.  Yes, 10.04 will be supported until 2015. 
However:

 - users who are already using 10.04 and are affected by these issues must
   have some workaround in place

 - users who are looking to deploy Ubuntu LTS over the next 12 months are
   likely to be evaluating 12.04 so that they get a full 5 years of support
   for their new deployments, not just 3 years

 - as a result, all other things being equal, it serves our users better if
   we invest our developer time in fixing a bug for the upcoming 12.04
   release instead of in fixing a bug of equivalent severity for the 10.04
   release.

Of course, if there are critical bugs it's important to fix these for our
existing stable releases first; but the bugs you describe are not critical,
and not trivial to fix.  So they're unlikely to receive attention from the
developers currently working on networking in Ubuntu.  However, Ubuntu is an
open project, and if someone (such as yourself) considers this bug a high
enough priority, they can prepare their own backport of these fixes to 10.04
and propose it for inclusion following the Stable Release Update process.

> So if Upstart could solve this by going later into runlevel 2, then
> some testers might check an update out. What do you think?

Delaying runlevel 2 is not a reliable fix for the issues in question.

Cheers,
-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek at ubuntu.com                                     vorlon at debian.org
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