Clarification on upstart-0.5 and dbus usage

[Michael Biebl]

2008/6/19 Marcel Holtmann <marcel at holtmann.org>:
> Hi Garrett,
>
>> >>> Hm, I'd actually prefer somehow, if core tools, like
>> >>> initctl/runlevel/telinit etc would talk to upstart directly without
>> >>> the need of a running dbus system bus.
>> >>>
>> >> Any particular reason?
>> >
>> > - Someone deletes his dbus job file.
>> > - dbus-daemon fails to start (misconfiguration, whatever)
>> > - upstart would be usable without the complete dbus package (it would
>> > only have to depend on libdbus)
>> >
>> > It's more of a gut feeling, that relying on the system bus for these
>> > core tools, makes upstart more fragile and error prone.
>>
>> I have to agree with Michael. More possible points of human input for
>> upstart during critical stages in system startup just make it more
>> brittle when dealing with confused users or misconfigured systems,
>> input from rogue scripts, etc, esp when dbus is a shared 'resource'
>> amongst different system applications.
>
> believe me that when I mentioned that we are going to fix this, I meant
> it. I am not going into details here, but expect something soon :)
>
> Scott knows about it and so simply stop this discussion and wait for me
> to actually finish it.

Ok then. I was just commenting on the status quo.

Will shut up and eagerly await what's coming...

Cheers,
Michael

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