[Bug 376532] Re: Free Pascal and Lazurus Install on Ubuntu Hardy Heron

[PrinceRiley]

Paul

Once again thanks so much for your time on this.

One point of clarification. I do understand that neither Debian nor Ubuntu
are responsible for fixing problems within the FPC projects.
But this dependency problem lies outside that project's scope. Since Debian
and Ubuntu should align in their library bases, its surprising to me
that with a stable project like FPC; which installs under Debian and Ubuntu
(Sourceforge and repo versions), that a library issue like this arises.

I will send you links to the messages I found in the FPC user groups, I do
not see any Launchpad bug reports on this and that's probably because
the people who encountered this bug gave up and stayed on Debian. I am
committed to Ubuntu.. proud of it and not shy about it.

So in that respect, since the Debian person only maintains FPC and Lazarus
for that distro as a OSD committed to Ubuntu I have to accept the following
responsibility.

1) set up a nightly check build of the FPC and Lazarus packages under Ubuntu
Hardy and Jaunty as the project changes

2) work with the FPC project leaders to make sure that any specific issues
are documented and resolved on that end

3) to surface and report with details issues that lie specifically with
Ubuntu to you.

Prince

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Paul Gevers <paul at climbing.nl> wrote:

> Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make
> Ubuntu better.
>
> There are several points I want to say in response to your bug report.
>
> 1) The FPC and Lazarus maintainer is packaging for Debian and does not
> actively solve or investigate Ubuntu related issues. Apparently nobody
> in the Ubuntu community really cared for FPC and Lazarus. See especially
> bug 275688, FPC should be removed from Hardy or updated, but nothing is
> happening. I will in the future make sure that bugs are forwarded to the
> Debian bugtracker.
>
> 2) Mainly because of bug 275688 in upstream, FPC changed a bit from
> version 2.2.0 to 2.2.2. Everybody in the outside world expects that we
> have moved on from 2.2.0, so problem with FPC in Ubuntu of Intrepid and
> before are really for Ubuntu to solve.
>
> 3) If a .deb from anywhere but Ubuntu gives you problems, you are quite
> on your own as far as Ubuntu is concerned. The Ubuntu project can not
> support or fix packages from others. Please report the bug to the
> provider of the software package, but keep in mind that for most
> packagers the state of Hardy is too old to actively fix bugs for.
>
> 4) Because I had issues with FPC and Lazarus when building my package
> WinFF, I have newer versions of FPC and Lazarus available in my PPA [1]
> for Hardy and Intrepid. You can use those if it helps you (instructions
> for using a PPA are available at [1]).
>
> 5) I like to understand your problems, because in Intrepid (which I used
> before) and Jaunty I did not have problems, so it looks like things have
> improved. Could you provide me with some relevant links to bugs, because
> I don't see many here on Launchpad.
>
> [1] https://launchpad.net/~paul-climbing/+archive/ppa<https://launchpad.net/%7Epaul-climbing/+archive/ppa>
>
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> Status in “fpc” source package in Ubuntu: New
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: fpc
>
> I'd like to ask both maintainers of the Free Pascal and Lazurus packages to
> take some time and resolve the following persistent reported installation
> issues:
>
> 1) The numerous problems reported here and elsewhere with the fp and
> Lazurus packages on installation mark problems that should not exist in a
> package of this type or maturity. The difficulties in subsequent upgrades
> reported also mark the need for a substantial and through review of each
> package's structure overall and their  joint 'cooperation' (post-install).
>
> 2) I am very concerned with the recent installation and library dependency
> issue with .DEBs fpc posted on Sourceforge. The mysterious and unexplained
> 'break' reported for the libix6 in Hardy def signals deeper issues remain as
> this package moves ahead with its own changes and fixes.
>
>
> The time has certainly come to put the FPC/Lazarus IDE installation issue
> to bed at least for Hardy while the new Ubuntu release stabilizes.  I admit
> both being surprised and frustrated  by my own experience with installing
> FPC and Lazarus IDE from the Sourceforge .DEBs as well as the Ubuntu
> repository packages. I think both the maintainer and the FPC project leaders
> are well aware of these issues and should make a concerted joint effort to
> resolve them.
>

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