[Ubuntu-ZW] Timezone issues, potentially quite bad
O. Sinclair
o.sinclair at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 10:58:30 UTC 2015
I actually wrote a piece on this on KDE userbase:
https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Kontact/Office365
Might work with Thunderbird too with some changes I guess
On 18/01/2015 12:43, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> Im still running KDE though... so i think i'll give kmail a shot this
> coming week to see how things have progressed.
>
> haha, i think anything MS/Exchange related will always be difficult to
> integrate with anything open source... as i personally think its all
> been done by design ;) (if you know what i mean!)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:05 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Kalpesh,
>
> after the mildly put difficult transition that KMail went through when
> KDE introduced the "searchable desktop" you are far from the only one.
> For whatever reason I doggedly hung on and managed the bumpy ride.
>
> These days (am on KDE 4.14.3 now but it has been for a while)
> Kontact/KMail is stable, works as intended with search and all but of
> course still has its bugs here and there. And there are still functions
> I would love to see introduced of course, such as easy connection to
> Exchange/Office365. That works but to get it working takes an effort.
>
> All the best,
> Sinclair
>
> On 17/01/2015 18:46, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Hi Orion, thanks for updating us on this.
> >
> > After years of being a loyal kmail user, i decided to migrate to
> > thunderbird a few years ago and havent done much to do with kmail since.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:22 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Followup on a very old discussion - this bug has been resolved should
> > anyone else be using KMail and (like me) set the timezone to Lusaka to
> > avoid it. At least in KDE 4.14.x timezone is now set correct in email
> > headers with computer set to Harare timezone.
> >
> > Compliments of the season,
> > Sinclair
> >
> > On 15/03/2013 08:38, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > > Morning Orion,
> > >
> > > Apologies.. due to a combination of no ZESA and the adsl POP being off
> > > in my area last.. i couldn't do much.
> > > will look into it more today though..
> > >
> > > im thinking of trying out KDE and kmail on a debian stable release..as
> > > well as an older ubuntu LTS to see if we have the same issue...
> > >
> > > kalpesh
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:53 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Morning,
> > >
> > > did you find time and did you manage to find out anything else
> > > regarding this? I have the issue brought on kdepim users list and on
> > > kdeforums but so far nothing much to verify this as either KMail but
> > > or error in timezone data.
> > >
> > > Sinclair
> > >
> > > On 13/03/2013 15:51, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > >
> > > I've tried looking online... most people have mentioned that
> > > kmail will
> > > only pull tz data off the OS. if thunderbird is doing that too, and
> > > doesnt have a problem.. then its a bit confusing. when you think
> > > about
> > > it, Lusaka Zambia use the exact same tz as us...so it could be
> > > incorrect
> > > tz data for Zimbabwe in the OS itself that kmail seems to pick
> > > up from
> > > somewhere.
> > >
> > > i'll try and do more research this evening to see if we can find
> > > anything
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, O. Sinclair
> > > <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
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> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > To my knowledge KMail has no setting for timezone, I have
> > > asked on
> > > kdeforums/KDEPIM if anyone is aware of any "rc" (settings)
> > > file but
> > > not seen any reply.
> > >
> > > I am suspecting either a weird KMail bug or a faulty timezones
> > > "template" for Africa/Harare
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13/03/2013 10:39, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Ahh, you are correct!
> > >
> > > "From: kt <kt at thejoker>
> > > To: kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
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> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: test
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:31:18 +0204
> > > Message-ID: <2291584.5WqPz9Rkts at thejoker>
> > > X-KMail-Identity: 101880761
> > > User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-31-generic-pae;
> > > KDE/4.8.5;
> > > i686; ; )
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "
> > >
> > > What really weird, is that im subscribed a few lists,
> > > like debian
> > > security and a few others. havent had any bounces yet.
> > >
> > > using thunderbird, i get:
> > >
> > > "From - Wed Mar 13 10:37:59 2013
> > >
> > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
> > > X-Mozilla-Keys:
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> > > Disposition-Notification-To: kalpesh thaker
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> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:37:59 +0200
> > > From: kalpesh thaker <kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
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> > >
> > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0)
> > > Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > To:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
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> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: test
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"
> > >
> > > im having a look to see if its possible to change that
> > > time zone
> > > manually in kmail.
> > >
> > > kalpesh
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM, O. Sinclair
> > > <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
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> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>>__> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kalpesh,
> > >
> > > no this is not a host issue, I use
> different
> > > sending hosts
> > > depending
> > > on account and also then it would not
> change if I
> > > changed
> > > timezone.
> > >
> > > It is KMail (and other clients) that
> sets a Date
> > > field in the
> > > headers and that defaults to UTC +0200 or
> > whatever
> > > offset
> > > to UTC you
> > > happen to be in. UTC +0204 is in other
> > clearly wrong.
> > >
> > > Just to test I swapped again and the
> problem
> > returned.
> > >
> > > If you are using KMail, open a sent
> mail, do
> > View All
> > > Headers and
> > > look for the Date field and see what
> value you
> > > have, then
> > > we can
> > > compare.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Orion
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13/03/2013 08:55, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Orion,
> > >
> > > Im actually using kmail myself. im
> subscribed
> > > to quite
> > > a few forums
> > > online and havent had any issues when
> > posting or
> > > replying to
> > > threads.
> > > confirm that in the headers, its your
> > host that
> > > has the
> > > incorrect time,
> > > and not one of the relays from your
> ISP?
> > >
> > > Im noticing you're seeing UTC. your
> universal
> > > time should
> > > actually be 2
> > > hours behind.. so the correct date on
> > your computer
> > > should be:
> > >
> > > Current default time zone:
> 'Africa/Harare'
> > > Local time is now: Wed Mar 13
> > 08:53:47 CAT
> > > 2013.
> > > Universal Time is now: Wed Mar 13
> > 06:53:47 UTC
> > > 2013.
> > >
> > > you can double check your time zone on
> > your OS
> > > from the
> > > command
> > > line:
> > >
> > > "sudo date"
> > >
> > > then change/confirm your tz using:
> > >
> > > "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
> > >
> > > once thats done, sync your clock:
> > >
> > > "sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > > <http://pool.ntp.org> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > > <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > > <http://pool.ntp.org>" --> check
> that ntpdate
> > >
> > > is installed first.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > kalpesh
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, O.
> Sinclair
> > > <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
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> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>>__>__> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > am using Kubuntu 12.10 with
> all updates
> > > and such.
> > >
> > > A while ago I posted some
> issues on the
> > > kde-devel
> > > list that was
> > > initially rejected as spam. I
> had some
> > > discussions
> > > with the
> > > list
> > > administrator Ben Cooksley.
> > >
> > > He informed me that a major
> problem was
> > > that my
> > > sending
> > > headers were
> > > set to date as UTC +0204. As we in
> > Harare
> > > are UTC
> > > +0200
> > > this meant
> > > all kinds of spamassasin and
> friends
> > > believed my
> > > mails to
> > > be some
> > > kind of bogey.
> > >
> > > You can see this in a sent mail by
> > viewing All
> > > Headers and
> > > look for
> > > Date sent or similar.
> > >
> > > My question to fellow
> ubuntu-users with
> > > computers
> > > set to
> > > timezone
> > > Africa/Harare is of course:
> > > Am I the only one having this
> issue?
> > > Is it possibly a KMail issue
> or are
> > > Thunderbird/Evolution users
> > > seeing it as well?
> > >
> > > If it is "just me" I will have
> to figure
> > > out what
> > > is wrong
> > > with my
> > > setup (changing to Lusaka/Zambia
> > fixed it
> > > btw).
> > > If it is KMail then I have to bug
> > the devs
> > > If it is Ubuntu time to file a
> bug there
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Sinclair
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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