[Ubuntu-ZW] Timezone issues, potentially quite bad

Kalpesh Thaker luminary06 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 10:43:56 UTC 2015


Im still running KDE though... so i think i'll give kmail a shot this
coming week to see how things have progressed.

haha, i think anything MS/Exchange related will always be difficult to
integrate with anything open source... as i personally think its all been
done by design ;) (if you know what i mean!)



On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:05 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kalpesh,
>
> after the mildly put difficult transition that KMail went through when
> KDE introduced the "searchable desktop" you are far from the only one.
> For whatever reason I doggedly hung on and managed the bumpy ride.
>
> These days (am on KDE 4.14.3 now but it has been for a while)
> Kontact/KMail is stable, works as intended with search and all but of
> course still has its bugs here and there. And there are still functions
> I would love to see introduced of course, such as easy connection to
> Exchange/Office365. That works but to get it working takes an effort.
>
> All the best,
> Sinclair
>
> On 17/01/2015 18:46, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Hi Orion, thanks for updating us on this.
> >
> > After years of being a loyal kmail user, i decided to migrate to
> > thunderbird a few years ago and havent done much to do with kmail since.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:22 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Followup on a very old discussion - this bug has been resolved should
> >     anyone else be using KMail and (like me) set the timezone to Lusaka
> to
> >     avoid it. At least in KDE 4.14.x timezone is now set correct in email
> >     headers with computer set to Harare timezone.
> >
> >     Compliments of the season,
> >     Sinclair
> >
> >     On 15/03/2013 08:38, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >     > Morning Orion,
> >     >
> >     > Apologies.. due to a combination of no ZESA and the adsl POP being
> off
> >     > in my area last.. i couldn't do much.
> >     > will look into it more today though..
> >     >
> >     > im thinking of trying out KDE and kmail on a debian stable
> release..as
> >     > well as an older ubuntu LTS to see if we have the same issue...
> >     >
> >     > kalpesh
> >     >
> >     > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:53 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Morning,
> >     >
> >     >     did you find time and did you manage to find out anything else
> >     >     regarding this? I have the issue brought on kdepim users list
> and on
> >     >     kdeforums but so far nothing much to verify this as either
> KMail but
> >     >     or error in timezone data.
> >     >
> >     >     Sinclair
> >     >
> >     >     On 13/03/2013 15:51, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >     >
> >     >         I've tried looking online... most people have mentioned
> that
> >     >         kmail will
> >     >         only pull tz data off the OS. if thunderbird is doing that
> too, and
> >     >         doesnt have a problem.. then its a bit confusing. when you
> think
> >     >         about
> >     >         it, Lusaka Zambia use the exact same tz as us...so it
> could be
> >     >         incorrect
> >     >         tz data for Zimbabwe in the OS itself that kmail seems to
> pick
> >     >         up from
> >     >         somewhere.
> >     >
> >     >         i'll try and do more research this evening to see if we
> can find
> >     >         anything
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >         On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, O. Sinclair
> >     >         <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >             To my knowledge KMail has no setting for timezone, I
> have
> >     >         asked on
> >     >             kdeforums/KDEPIM if anyone is aware of any "rc"
> (settings)
> >     >         file but
> >     >             not seen any reply.
> >     >
> >     >             I am suspecting either a weird KMail bug or a faulty
> timezones
> >     >             "template" for Africa/Harare
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >             On 13/03/2013 10:39, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >     >
> >     >                 Ahh, you are correct!
> >     >
> >     >                 "From: kt <kt at thejoker>
> >     >                 To: kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> .>__com
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> >     >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> .>__com
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                 Subject: test
> >     >                 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:31:18 +0204
> >     >                 Message-ID: <2291584.5WqPz9Rkts at thejoker>
> >     >                 X-KMail-Identity: 101880761
> >     >                 User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5
> (Linux/3.2.0-31-generic-pae;
> >     >         KDE/4.8.5;
> >     >                 i686; ; )
> >     >                 MIME-Version: 1.0
> >     >                 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
> >     >                 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "
> >     >
> >     >                 What really weird, is that im subscribed a few
> lists,
> >     >         like debian
> >     >                 security and a few others. havent had any bounces
> yet.
> >     >
> >     >                 using thunderbird, i get:
> >     >
> >     >                 "From - Wed Mar 13 10:37:59 2013
> >     >
> >     >                 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> >     >                 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
> >     >                 X-Mozilla-Keys:
> >     >                 Message-ID: <51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.____com
> >     >                 <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@
> >     <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>__webdevworld.com <http://webdevworld.com>
> >     >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com
> >     <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>>
> >     >                   <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@ <mailto:
> 51403AE7.3020205@>
> >     >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@
> >     <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>>__web__devworld.com
> >     <http://web__devworld.com>
> >     >         <http://webdevworld.com>
> >     >                 <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@ <mailto:
> 51403AE7.3020205@>__webdevworld.com
> >     <http://webdevworld.com>
> >     >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com
> >     <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> >     >                 Disposition-Notification-To: kalpesh thaker
> >     >                 <kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> .>__com
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> >     >                   <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> >     >
> >     >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> >     >
> >     >                 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:37:59 +0200
> >     >                 From: kalpesh thaker <kalpesh at webdevworld.com
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >     >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> >     >                   <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> >     >
> >     >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> >     >
> >     >                 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0)
> >     >                 Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3
> >     >                 MIME-Version: 1.0
> >     >                 To:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw <mailto:
> To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> >     >         <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw <mailto:
> To%253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>
> >     >         <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.
> >     <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.>__co.zw <http://co.zw>
> >     >         <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >     <mailto:To%25253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>>
> >     >                   <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> >     >         <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >     <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>>__>
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                 Subject: test
> >     >                 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> >     >                 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"
> >     >
> >     >                 im having a look to see if its possible to change
> that
> >     >         time zone
> >     >                 manually in kmail.
> >     >
> >     >                 kalpesh
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM, O. Sinclair
> >     >                 <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> >     >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:
> o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >>
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>__>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >                      Hi Kalpesh,
> >     >
> >     >                      no this is not a host issue, I use different
> >     >         sending hosts
> >     >                 depending
> >     >                      on account and also then it would not change
> if I
> >     >         changed
> >     >                 timezone.
> >     >
> >     >                      It is KMail (and other clients) that sets a
> Date
> >     >         field in the
> >     >                      headers and that defaults to UTC +0200 or
> >     whatever
> >     >         offset
> >     >                 to UTC you
> >     >                      happen to be in. UTC +0204 is in other
> >     clearly wrong.
> >     >
> >     >                      Just to test I swapped again and the problem
> >     returned.
> >     >
> >     >                      If you are using KMail, open a sent mail, do
> >     View All
> >     >                 Headers and
> >     >                      look for the Date field and see what value you
> >     >         have, then
> >     >                 we can
> >     >                      compare.
> >     >
> >     >                      Best,
> >     >                      Orion
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                      On 13/03/2013 08:55, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >     >
> >     >                          Hi Orion,
> >     >
> >     >                          Im actually using kmail myself. im
> subscribed
> >     >         to quite
> >     >                 a few forums
> >     >                          online and havent had any issues when
> >     posting or
> >     >                 replying to
> >     >                          threads.
> >     >                          confirm that in the headers, its your
> >     host that
> >     >         has the
> >     >                          incorrect time,
> >     >                          and not one of the relays from your ISP?
> >     >
> >     >                          Im noticing you're seeing UTC. your
> universal
> >     >         time should
> >     >                          actually be 2
> >     >                          hours behind.. so the correct date on
> >     your computer
> >     >                 should be:
> >     >
> >     >                          Current default time zone: 'Africa/Harare'
> >     >                          Local time is now:      Wed Mar 13
> >     08:53:47 CAT
> >     >         2013.
> >     >                          Universal Time is now:  Wed Mar 13
> >     06:53:47 UTC
> >     >         2013.
> >     >
> >     >                          you can double check your time zone on
> >     your OS
> >     >         from the
> >     >                 command
> >     >                          line:
> >     >
> >     >                          "sudo date"
> >     >
> >     >                          then change/confirm your tz using:
> >     >
> >     >                          "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
> >     >
> >     >                          once thats done, sync your clock:
> >     >
> >     >                          "sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
> >     <http://pool.ntp.org>
> >     >         <http://pool.ntp.org> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> >     >                 <http://pool.ntp.org>
> >     >                          <http://pool.ntp.org>" --> check that
> ntpdate
> >     >
> >     >                          is installed first.
> >     >
> >     >                          cheers,
> >     >
> >     >                          kalpesh
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                          On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, O.
> Sinclair
> >     >                          <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >>>
> >     >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >     >                          <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >>
> >     >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >>
> >     >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >     >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>__>__> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >                               Hi all,
> >     >
> >     >                               am using Kubuntu 12.10 with all
> updates
> >     >         and such.
> >     >
> >     >                               A while ago I posted some issues on
> the
> >     >         kde-devel
> >     >                 list that was
> >     >                               initially rejected as spam. I had
> some
> >     >         discussions
> >     >                 with the
> >     >                          list
> >     >                               administrator Ben Cooksley.
> >     >
> >     >                               He informed me that a major problem
> was
> >     >         that my
> >     >                 sending
> >     >                          headers were
> >     >                               set to date as UTC +0204. As we in
> >     Harare
> >     >         are UTC
> >     >                 +0200
> >     >                          this meant
> >     >                               all kinds of spamassasin and friends
> >     >         believed my
> >     >                 mails to
> >     >                          be some
> >     >                               kind of bogey.
> >     >
> >     >                               You can see this in a sent mail by
> >     viewing All
> >     >                 Headers and
> >     >                          look for
> >     >                               Date sent or similar.
> >     >
> >     >                               My question to fellow ubuntu-users
> with
> >     >         computers
> >     >                 set to
> >     >                          timezone
> >     >                               Africa/Harare is of course:
> >     >                               Am I the only one having this issue?
> >     >                               Is it possibly a KMail issue or are
> >     >                 Thunderbird/Evolution users
> >     >                               seeing it as well?
> >     >
> >     >                               If it is "just me" I will have to
> figure
> >     >         out what
> >     >                 is wrong
> >     >                          with my
> >     >                               setup (changing to Lusaka/Zambia
> >     fixed it
> >     >         btw).
> >     >                               If it is KMail then I have to bug
> >     the devs
> >     >                               If it is Ubuntu time to file a bug
> there
> >     >
> >     >                               Kind regards
> >     >                               Sinclair
> >     >
> >
> >
>
>
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