[Ubuntu-ZW] Timezone issues, potentially quite bad
O. Sinclair
o.sinclair at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 07:05:03 UTC 2015
Hi Kalpesh,
after the mildly put difficult transition that KMail went through when
KDE introduced the "searchable desktop" you are far from the only one.
For whatever reason I doggedly hung on and managed the bumpy ride.
These days (am on KDE 4.14.3 now but it has been for a while)
Kontact/KMail is stable, works as intended with search and all but of
course still has its bugs here and there. And there are still functions
I would love to see introduced of course, such as easy connection to
Exchange/Office365. That works but to get it working takes an effort.
All the best,
Sinclair
On 17/01/2015 18:46, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> Hi Orion, thanks for updating us on this.
>
> After years of being a loyal kmail user, i decided to migrate to
> thunderbird a few years ago and havent done much to do with kmail since.
>
> cheers,
>
> kalpesh
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:22 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Followup on a very old discussion - this bug has been resolved should
> anyone else be using KMail and (like me) set the timezone to Lusaka to
> avoid it. At least in KDE 4.14.x timezone is now set correct in email
> headers with computer set to Harare timezone.
>
> Compliments of the season,
> Sinclair
>
> On 15/03/2013 08:38, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Morning Orion,
> >
> > Apologies.. due to a combination of no ZESA and the adsl POP being off
> > in my area last.. i couldn't do much.
> > will look into it more today though..
> >
> > im thinking of trying out KDE and kmail on a debian stable release..as
> > well as an older ubuntu LTS to see if we have the same issue...
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:53 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Morning,
> >
> > did you find time and did you manage to find out anything else
> > regarding this? I have the issue brought on kdepim users list and on
> > kdeforums but so far nothing much to verify this as either KMail but
> > or error in timezone data.
> >
> > Sinclair
> >
> > On 13/03/2013 15:51, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> > I've tried looking online... most people have mentioned that
> > kmail will
> > only pull tz data off the OS. if thunderbird is doing that too, and
> > doesnt have a problem.. then its a bit confusing. when you think
> > about
> > it, Lusaka Zambia use the exact same tz as us...so it could be
> > incorrect
> > tz data for Zimbabwe in the OS itself that kmail seems to pick
> > up from
> > somewhere.
> >
> > i'll try and do more research this evening to see if we can find
> > anything
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, O. Sinclair
> > <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > To my knowledge KMail has no setting for timezone, I have
> > asked on
> > kdeforums/KDEPIM if anyone is aware of any "rc" (settings)
> > file but
> > not seen any reply.
> >
> > I am suspecting either a weird KMail bug or a faulty timezones
> > "template" for Africa/Harare
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13/03/2013 10:39, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> > Ahh, you are correct!
> >
> > "From: kt <kt at thejoker>
> > To: kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>
> >
> >
> > Subject: test
> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:31:18 +0204
> > Message-ID: <2291584.5WqPz9Rkts at thejoker>
> > X-KMail-Identity: 101880761
> > User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-31-generic-pae;
> > KDE/4.8.5;
> > i686; ; )
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "
> >
> > What really weird, is that im subscribed a few lists,
> > like debian
> > security and a few others. havent had any bounces yet.
> >
> > using thunderbird, i get:
> >
> > "From - Wed Mar 13 10:37:59 2013
> >
> > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
> > X-Mozilla-Keys:
> > Message-ID: <51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.____com
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@
> <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>__webdevworld.com <http://webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com
> <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>>
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@ <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@
> <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>>__web__devworld.com
> <http://web__devworld.com>
> > <http://webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@ <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>__webdevworld.com
> <http://webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com
> <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> > Disposition-Notification-To: kalpesh thaker
> > <kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> >
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> >
> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:37:59 +0200
> > From: kalpesh thaker <kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld
> <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld>.>____com
> >
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld. <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>__com
> > <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>>
> >
> > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0)
> > Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > To:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> > <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>
> > <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.
> <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.>__co.zw <http://co.zw>
> > <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> <mailto:To%25253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> > <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>>__>
> >
> >
> > Subject: test
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"
> >
> > im having a look to see if its possible to change that
> > time zone
> > manually in kmail.
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM, O. Sinclair
> > <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>__> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kalpesh,
> >
> > no this is not a host issue, I use different
> > sending hosts
> > depending
> > on account and also then it would not change if I
> > changed
> > timezone.
> >
> > It is KMail (and other clients) that sets a Date
> > field in the
> > headers and that defaults to UTC +0200 or
> whatever
> > offset
> > to UTC you
> > happen to be in. UTC +0204 is in other
> clearly wrong.
> >
> > Just to test I swapped again and the problem
> returned.
> >
> > If you are using KMail, open a sent mail, do
> View All
> > Headers and
> > look for the Date field and see what value you
> > have, then
> > we can
> > compare.
> >
> > Best,
> > Orion
> >
> >
> > On 13/03/2013 08:55, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> > Hi Orion,
> >
> > Im actually using kmail myself. im subscribed
> > to quite
> > a few forums
> > online and havent had any issues when
> posting or
> > replying to
> > threads.
> > confirm that in the headers, its your
> host that
> > has the
> > incorrect time,
> > and not one of the relays from your ISP?
> >
> > Im noticing you're seeing UTC. your universal
> > time should
> > actually be 2
> > hours behind.. so the correct date on
> your computer
> > should be:
> >
> > Current default time zone: 'Africa/Harare'
> > Local time is now: Wed Mar 13
> 08:53:47 CAT
> > 2013.
> > Universal Time is now: Wed Mar 13
> 06:53:47 UTC
> > 2013.
> >
> > you can double check your time zone on
> your OS
> > from the
> > command
> > line:
> >
> > "sudo date"
> >
> > then change/confirm your tz using:
> >
> > "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
> >
> > once thats done, sync your clock:
> >
> > "sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > <http://pool.ntp.org> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > <http://pool.ntp.org>
> > <http://pool.ntp.org>" --> check that ntpdate
> >
> > is installed first.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, O. Sinclair
> > <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>>__>__> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > am using Kubuntu 12.10 with all updates
> > and such.
> >
> > A while ago I posted some issues on the
> > kde-devel
> > list that was
> > initially rejected as spam. I had some
> > discussions
> > with the
> > list
> > administrator Ben Cooksley.
> >
> > He informed me that a major problem was
> > that my
> > sending
> > headers were
> > set to date as UTC +0204. As we in
> Harare
> > are UTC
> > +0200
> > this meant
> > all kinds of spamassasin and friends
> > believed my
> > mails to
> > be some
> > kind of bogey.
> >
> > You can see this in a sent mail by
> viewing All
> > Headers and
> > look for
> > Date sent or similar.
> >
> > My question to fellow ubuntu-users with
> > computers
> > set to
> > timezone
> > Africa/Harare is of course:
> > Am I the only one having this issue?
> > Is it possibly a KMail issue or are
> > Thunderbird/Evolution users
> > seeing it as well?
> >
> > If it is "just me" I will have to figure
> > out what
> > is wrong
> > with my
> > setup (changing to Lusaka/Zambia
> fixed it
> > btw).
> > If it is KMail then I have to bug
> the devs
> > If it is Ubuntu time to file a bug there
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Sinclair
> >
>
>
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