[Ubuntu-ZW] Timezone issues, potentially quite bad

Kalpesh Thaker luminary06 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 17 16:46:53 UTC 2015


Hi Orion, thanks for updating us on this.

After years of being a loyal kmail user, i decided to migrate to
thunderbird a few years ago and havent done much to do with kmail since.

cheers,

kalpesh



On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:22 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:

> Followup on a very old discussion - this bug has been resolved should
> anyone else be using KMail and (like me) set the timezone to Lusaka to
> avoid it. At least in KDE 4.14.x timezone is now set correct in email
> headers with computer set to Harare timezone.
>
> Compliments of the season,
> Sinclair
>
> On 15/03/2013 08:38, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Morning Orion,
> >
> > Apologies.. due to a combination of no ZESA and the adsl POP being off
> > in my area last.. i couldn't do much.
> > will look into it more today though..
> >
> > im thinking of trying out KDE and kmail on a debian stable release..as
> > well as an older ubuntu LTS to see if we have the same issue...
> >
> > kalpesh
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:53 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> > <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Morning,
> >
> >     did you find time and did you manage to find out anything else
> >     regarding this? I have the issue brought on kdepim users list and on
> >     kdeforums but so far nothing much to verify this as either KMail but
> >     or error in timezone data.
> >
> >     Sinclair
> >
> >     On 13/03/2013 15:51, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> >         I've tried looking online... most people have mentioned that
> >         kmail will
> >         only pull tz data off the OS. if thunderbird is doing that too,
> and
> >         doesnt have a problem.. then its a bit confusing. when you think
> >         about
> >         it, Lusaka Zambia use the exact same tz as us...so it could be
> >         incorrect
> >         tz data for Zimbabwe in the OS itself that kmail seems to pick
> >         up from
> >         somewhere.
> >
> >         i'll try and do more research this evening to see if we can find
> >         anything
> >
> >
> >         On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, O. Sinclair
> >         <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >             To my knowledge KMail has no setting for timezone, I have
> >         asked on
> >             kdeforums/KDEPIM if anyone is aware of any "rc" (settings)
> >         file but
> >             not seen any reply.
> >
> >             I am suspecting either a weird KMail bug or a faulty
> timezones
> >             "template" for Africa/Harare
> >
> >
> >
> >             On 13/03/2013 10:39, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> >                 Ahh, you are correct!
> >
> >                 "From: kt <kt at thejoker>
> >                 To: kalpesh at webdevworld.com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>____com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>
> >
> >
> >                 Subject: test
> >                 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:31:18 +0204
> >                 Message-ID: <2291584.5WqPz9Rkts at thejoker>
> >                 X-KMail-Identity: 101880761
> >                 User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-31-generic-pae;
> >         KDE/4.8.5;
> >                 i686; ; )
> >                 MIME-Version: 1.0
> >                 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
> >                 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "
> >
> >                 What really weird, is that im subscribed a few lists,
> >         like debian
> >                 security and a few others. havent had any bounces yet.
> >
> >                 using thunderbird, i get:
> >
> >                 "From - Wed Mar 13 10:37:59 2013
> >
> >                 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> >                 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
> >                 X-Mozilla-Keys:
> >                 Message-ID: <51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.____com
> >                 <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at __webdevworld.com
> >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>
> >                   <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@
> >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205@>__web__devworld.com
> >         <http://webdevworld.com>
> >                 <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at __webdevworld.com
> >         <mailto:51403AE7.3020205 at webdevworld.com>>>>
> >                 Disposition-Notification-To: kalpesh thaker
> >                 <kalpesh at webdevworld.com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com <mailto:
> kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >                   <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>____com
> >
> >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>
> >
> >                 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:37:59 +0200
> >                 From: kalpesh thaker <kalpesh at webdevworld.com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>
> >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>
> >                   <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.>____com
> >
> >                 <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.__com
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at webdevworld.com>>>>
> >
> >                 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0)
> >                 Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3
> >                 MIME-Version: 1.0
> >                 To:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >         <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>
> >         <mailto:To%3Akalpesh at hosting.__co.zw
> >         <mailto:To%253Akalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>
> >                   <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw> <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw
> >         <mailto:kalpesh at hosting.co.zw>>__>
> >
> >
> >                 Subject: test
> >                 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> >                 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"
> >
> >                 im having a look to see if its possible to change that
> >         time zone
> >                 manually in kmail.
> >
> >                 kalpesh
> >
> >
> >                 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM, O. Sinclair
> >                 <o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>__> wrote:
> >
> >                      Hi Kalpesh,
> >
> >                      no this is not a host issue, I use different
> >         sending hosts
> >                 depending
> >                      on account and also then it would not change if I
> >         changed
> >                 timezone.
> >
> >                      It is KMail (and other clients) that sets a Date
> >         field in the
> >                      headers and that defaults to UTC +0200 or whatever
> >         offset
> >                 to UTC you
> >                      happen to be in. UTC +0204 is in other clearly
> wrong.
> >
> >                      Just to test I swapped again and the problem
> returned.
> >
> >                      If you are using KMail, open a sent mail, do View
> All
> >                 Headers and
> >                      look for the Date field and see what value you
> >         have, then
> >                 we can
> >                      compare.
> >
> >                      Best,
> >                      Orion
> >
> >
> >                      On 13/03/2013 08:55, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >
> >                          Hi Orion,
> >
> >                          Im actually using kmail myself. im subscribed
> >         to quite
> >                 a few forums
> >                          online and havent had any issues when posting or
> >                 replying to
> >                          threads.
> >                          confirm that in the headers, its your host that
> >         has the
> >                          incorrect time,
> >                          and not one of the relays from your ISP?
> >
> >                          Im noticing you're seeing UTC. your universal
> >         time should
> >                          actually be 2
> >                          hours behind.. so the correct date on your
> computer
> >                 should be:
> >
> >                          Current default time zone: 'Africa/Harare'
> >                          Local time is now:      Wed Mar 13 08:53:47 CAT
> >         2013.
> >                          Universal Time is now:  Wed Mar 13 06:53:47 UTC
> >         2013.
> >
> >                          you can double check your time zone on your OS
> >         from the
> >                 command
> >                          line:
> >
> >                          "sudo date"
> >
> >                          then change/confirm your tz using:
> >
> >                          "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
> >
> >                          once thats done, sync your clock:
> >
> >                          "sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
> >         <http://pool.ntp.org> <http://pool.ntp.org>
> >                 <http://pool.ntp.org>
> >                          <http://pool.ntp.org>" --> check that ntpdate
> >
> >                          is installed first.
> >
> >                          cheers,
> >
> >                          kalpesh
> >
> >
> >                          On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, O. Sinclair
> >                          <o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>
> >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>
> >                          <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>> <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> >                 <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com
> >         <mailto:o.sinclair at gmail.com>>>__>__> wrote:
> >
> >                               Hi all,
> >
> >                               am using Kubuntu 12.10 with all updates
> >         and such.
> >
> >                               A while ago I posted some issues on the
> >         kde-devel
> >                 list that was
> >                               initially rejected as spam. I had some
> >         discussions
> >                 with the
> >                          list
> >                               administrator Ben Cooksley.
> >
> >                               He informed me that a major problem was
> >         that my
> >                 sending
> >                          headers were
> >                               set to date as UTC +0204. As we in Harare
> >         are UTC
> >                 +0200
> >                          this meant
> >                               all kinds of spamassasin and friends
> >         believed my
> >                 mails to
> >                          be some
> >                               kind of bogey.
> >
> >                               You can see this in a sent mail by viewing
> All
> >                 Headers and
> >                          look for
> >                               Date sent or similar.
> >
> >                               My question to fellow ubuntu-users with
> >         computers
> >                 set to
> >                          timezone
> >                               Africa/Harare is of course:
> >                               Am I the only one having this issue?
> >                               Is it possibly a KMail issue or are
> >                 Thunderbird/Evolution users
> >                               seeing it as well?
> >
> >                               If it is "just me" I will have to figure
> >         out what
> >                 is wrong
> >                          with my
> >                               setup (changing to Lusaka/Zambia fixed it
> >         btw).
> >                               If it is KMail then I have to bug the devs
> >                               If it is Ubuntu time to file a bug there
> >
> >                               Kind regards
> >                               Sinclair
> >
>
>
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