chimuzu at gmail.com
Wed Aug 5 09:49:24 UTC 2015
How I understand you...
I have no problem wit the initiative i support it 100%. However I am one of
those that believes that a General Linux Community makes a lot more sense
in view of the diversity of distros and people's choices.
I personally keep moving from one distro to another every 6 months or so: I
use ubuntu in my office, Deepin on my laptop, Mint on my home Desktop and
Puppy Linux for my children computer. Crazy?
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:25 AM Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, i've had a quick read through.... i believe i can summarise in one
> quote why IRC never worked for us a Zim LoCo:
> "[19:03:54] <otenh> Guys u are going too fast for me to keep up"
> anyway, i gather from some of the comments, that this is basically what we
> tried to do in 2008, when the LoCo was first launched in Zim. in summary:
> - to try and gather momentum in promoting Ubuntu,
> - figuring out who was interested in the initiative
> - try and push Ubuntu into the corporate space, and use case studies as
> examples of how successful ubuntu can be in that scenario
> - promote ubuntu as a great "free" alternative to proprietary OS's
> thats just a basic run through of the objectives that we set out when the
> LoCo was first launched. and i find similar patterns in the IRC minutes of
> the Ubuntu-africa initiative.
> Now, i'd like to share some insight into the main reason why the LoCo fell
> over, and why i feel that trying to revive the LoCo in any form
> (specifically in Zimbabwe) may not work going forward. I may be a little
> outspoken, but i'll try and be objective with everything.
> - While the LoCo team promoted Ubuntu primarily, as the years progressed
> (2010-present) we noticed a trend of new distro's popping up that built on
> the concept of Ubuntu as an OS and often improved the overall end user
> experience. Distro's such as Mint, Debian, openSUSE, now became serious
> competition for Ubuntu as an OS.
> - We first realised this around 2010 (i think) at the last ICT show we did
> which was hosted at the showgrounds in Harare, where we had various people
> come along to say that Mint was overall a better experience for end users.
> At that point in time, alot of us were die hard Ubuntu/Kubuntu users, and
> were not exposed to the other distro's much. Out of curiosity, after the
> ICT show, some of us went home and tried out Mint, and in the end most of
> us concurred that after using Mint for a while, that it was honestly a
> better alternative to the end user than Ubuntu.
> - Faced with this new reality, we honestly felt that Ubuntu as a platform
> was NOT something we felt we could promote objectively or honestly, because
> clearly better alternatives were now available. Well seasoned linux users
> who were team members felt that Ubuntu just wasnt good enough to focus on
> solely in Zimbabwe, and this created divisions within the team.
> - Distrowatch.com backed up this feeling too, where Mint became the top
> ranked distro (and still is at #1).
> [19:07:56] ACCEPTED: Official Membership is a good way to highlight and
> thank the people who are doing good work for Ubuntu as a whole (inetpro)
> As a LoCo team, we did serious research into becoming an "official" LoCo.
> frankly, the requirements were crazy for Zimbabwe standards, and no matter
> how much work we did, we would not be able to reach "official" status due
> to the limited resources we had. We ran primarily on donations (in which
> LoCo team members donated 90% of everything themselves). Sponsorship from
> companies etc brought us into a world of politics, and instead of
> supporting us and the cause overall, sponsors would often dictate the
> direction the team went in... and how we could do things. i wont elaborate
> on this anymore...but there were always strings attached to everything.
> Alot of people used the exposure of the LoCo team as a platform to launch
> their own businesses and when that happened, the team was left high and dry.
> Anyway, for the 5 years of hard work and effort that the team put, and all
> the money and resources donated by team members, when we approached the
> committee thats in charge of LoCo team approval, we were told that our
> input had not reached their requirements (not having an IRC channel was on
> of them). This being Zimbabwe, clearly a unique place with its own
> environmental challenges.. as a LoCo in such trying times we managed to do
> some amazing things. But Canonical and the Ubuntu community could not waive
> certain requirements that would've given the LoCo team resources to promote
> THEIR product due their own standards and ideals from being active in
> countries where the world works properly.
> As we move into 2015, i believe canonical are trying to push their OS onto
> mobile devices etc, so that is what i believe is the main factor in
> reviving LoCo teams again. I personally feel Ubuntu as an OS lost the
> meaning of 'Ubuntu' a long time ago, and now is just really another
> irrelevant linux distro on the desktop side of things being run by a
> corporate that needs to meet revenue targets.
> The problems i see going forward are that people have too much of a choice
> nowdays. whether its an OS for a PC or a mobile, there is far too much
> competition. a troublefree experience and a good app ecosystem often
> determines how long a person STAYS on a OS.
> Ubuntu at the moment, i dont think fairs very well with more established
> alternatives that are available out there. With Windows 10 now being a
> free upgrade, trying to convince people today to move to Ubuntu will be a
> HUGE challenge. I have it on good authority that a cracked version of
> windows 7, when using the official windows 10 upgrade system, still
> activates as a genuine copy of windows 10.
> The mobile space is a similar.. the big 3, Windows, IOS and Android....
> we've all used these OS's, and i seriously wonder why anyone would move
> from something that is so tried and trusted to Ubuntu which is really still
> an infant?
> Ubuntu users in general are now a serious minority...and there are good
> reasons for it. I still have dual screen issues every now with my Kubuntu
> desktop (trusty). i still have to go in and modify config files manually to
> get certain things to work... and i've often spent alot of time 'trawling'
> through the ubuntu forums. i can do this, and i dont mind doing this...
> because this is how i learn about Linux as an OS.. however for your average
> joe. when things break, dont work as expected, or if the user doesnt know
> how to do something.. the machine gets formatted and replaced with windows.
> This is the reality, and we had seen this within the LoCo team for years.
> the argument of Ubuntu being free software is no longer relevant, as there
> are better free alternatives out there. for mobiles, cyanogenmod is a very
> popular distro that has a huge community of users which has a very robust
> dev and forum environment.
> While im all for "getting the band back together", i just dont think its
> realistic at this point in time. with easily availble (and cheap) chinese
> devices, which come preloaded with an OS.. it will be extremely difficult
> to get the Ubuntu momentum going.
> Another interesting fact, as an example, try and use a search engine to
> find out how to install whatsapp on Ubuntu phone and touch,
> now read through it and imagine your non technical family trying to do
> this without your help. interesting right?
> Anyway, Orion.. these are my thoughts on the topic... it may have turned
> into a rant, but i've tried to provide some context into why i dont think
> this would work. on another note, IRC is not a good idea to meet
> locally.... trust me, you'll get better response via email communication on
> this mailing list. so maybe consider using this mailing list for local
> communication on this topic, then draw up your own minutes that can be used
> when meeting on IRC with the ubuntu-africa meetings?
> cheers for now,
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com>
>> Hi Orion,
>> thanks for that i'll have a look at the minutes and revert asap.
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:28 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> for those who did not attend here are minutes:
>>> it was my first IRC meeting so a bit "confusing" but interesting.
>>> on the sidelines of it we discussed what Zimbabwe LoCo can do to
>>> my suggestion is an irc meet of our own. Main agenda basically (read the
>>> 1 make Zimbabwe Ubuntu more visible on various social media
>>> 2. update local website
>>> 3. any other issues
>>> Does this sound like a way forward, is there enough interest still in
>>> the community?
>>> Kind regards,
>>> On 27/07/2015 07:55, craig wrote:
>>> > Morning all ,
>>> > Just a reminder for the Ubuntu-Africa IRC #ubuntu-africa meeting on
>>> > Wed 29th July at 8.30pm.
>>> > Regards
>>> > Craig
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