[Ubuntu-ZW] Ubuntu-zw Digest, Vol 37, Issue 2

Garikai Dzoma garikaib at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 08:41:30 BST 2010


As pointed out skype is not to be found in the main repository. It is
true of course that this is because it does not conform to open source
standards. Again as said skype can be found in the partner repository.
By default partner repository is comented out.

On 6/9/10, ubuntu-zw-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>    1. Re:  Why skype is not part of ubuntu (O. Sinclair)
>    2. Re:  Why skype is not part of ubuntu (Kalpesh Thaker)
>    3. Re:  Why skype is not part of ubuntu
>       (Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume)
>    4.  Ubuntu (Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:00:39 +0200
> From: "O. Sinclair" <o.sinclair at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-ZW] Why skype is not part of ubuntu
> To: Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-zw <ubuntu-zw at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Skype is in the Canonical partner repos from 10.04 so not a completely
> true story - it is not part of "core Ubuntu" but just as you can install
> Adobe Reader from Canonical you can now install Skype.
>
> Cheers
> Sinclair
>
> On 07/06/2010 12:06, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
>>
>>     hi guys...i thought this was quite an interesting read.. on a very
>>     common question for ubuntu users:
>>
>>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeEthics
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Why is Skype not part of Ubuntu?
>>
>> Skype is not part of the Ubuntu distribution because it does not conform
>> to the requirements of the Ubuntu Charter. This is primarily because
>> source code is not available. A consequence of this is that it is
>> impossible to understand the Skype communication protocol, which
>> prevents competition and fractures the VoIP market, making it harder for
>> people to communicate. As an example, Skype users can only talk with
>> other Skype users because the Skype protocol is closed. But people using
>> SIP clients like Ekiga can talk with anyone else using a SIP client
>> (such as Wengophone or Twinkle) since SIP is a free protocol.
>>
>> Earlier versions of Skype (1.2 and older) might have issues with basic
>> sound cards that do not support hardware mixing due to using the Open
>> Sound System (OSS).
>>
>>
>>     VoIP soft-phones included in Ubuntu
>>
>> There are several alternative software based VoIP phones, that are 'free
>> libre open', use 'open' protocols, and are included in the Ubuntu
>> repositories. Among others, there are:
>>
>>     *
>>
>>       Empathy <http://live.gnome.org/Empathy> with full Video & Voice
>>       chat support, Google Talk compatible
>>
>>     *
>>
>>       Pidgin <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin>
>>
>>     *
>>
>>       Ekiga <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga>
>>
>>     *
>>
>>       Twinkle <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Twinkle>
>>
>>     *
>>
>>       Wengophone <http://www.wengophone.com/> now known as Qutecom.
>>
>>     * KPhone
>>     * Gimzo5
>>
>>
>>     Ethics of Skype
>>
>>
>>       Free Software
>>
>> Ubuntu supports free software, which anyone can use, modify and improve,
>> and open protocols, so that different software can interoperate. Skype's
>> software and the Skype protocol are both entirely secret. Users may
>> choose to avoid Skype because:
>>
>>     * They will be forced to use Skype software as no alternatives will
>>       be available
>>     * Once they develop a Skype network of contacts, it will be harder
>>       to move to a free network
>>     * Skype could begin charging for their service at any time they choose
>>     *
>>
>>       Skype has deliberately limited capabilities of Skype for non-Intel
>>       users (details here <http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=947>)
>>
>>     * Skype is provided and runs natively only on the x86 and x86_64 (32
>>       and 64 bit), ARM (iPhone) and Power PC (Mac with G4 or G5
>>       processor) architectures, excluding people using other architectures
>>
>>
>>       Free speech
>>
>> Users may choose to avoid Skype because they have been engaged in
>> censorship in China. Chinese users and users in certain countries may
>> fear that along with censorship, they will suffer disclosure of their
>> private conversations to other people, authorities or governments.
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:03:40 +0200
> From: Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-ZW] Why skype is not part of ubuntu
> To: o.sinclair at gmail.com
> Cc: ubuntu-zw <ubuntu-zw at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTimnef1EdaDsdU3nYn-sWBbreEa5qTsgoRm3Ko9E at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Actually, you are right..... it does seems to be in the multiverse
> repositories..but only in the lucid lynx version.. lol!
>
> I think they could be possibly referring to why it doesnt come setup by
> default on a new install, like they do with
> other open source apps like open office, evolution etc.
>
> i can also confirm that pidgin has an installable from skype plugin from our
> local repo's.... so the part of being 'locked
> in' when using the skype app is also somewhat incorrect...
>
> go figure!
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:00 PM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Skype is in the Canonical partner repos from 10.04 so not a completely
>> true
>> story - it is not part of "core Ubuntu" but just as you can install Adobe
>> Reader from Canonical you can now install Skype.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Sinclair
>>
>>
>> On 07/06/2010 12:06, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>    hi guys...i thought this was quite an interesting read.. on a very
>>>    common question for ubuntu users:
>>>
>>>    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeEthics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Why is Skype not part of Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> Skype is not part of the Ubuntu distribution because it does not conform
>>> to the requirements of the Ubuntu Charter. This is primarily because
>>> source code is not available. A consequence of this is that it is
>>> impossible to understand the Skype communication protocol, which
>>> prevents competition and fractures the VoIP market, making it harder for
>>> people to communicate. As an example, Skype users can only talk with
>>> other Skype users because the Skype protocol is closed. But people using
>>> SIP clients like Ekiga can talk with anyone else using a SIP client
>>> (such as Wengophone or Twinkle) since SIP is a free protocol.
>>>
>>> Earlier versions of Skype (1.2 and older) might have issues with basic
>>> sound cards that do not support hardware mixing due to using the Open
>>> Sound System (OSS).
>>>
>>>
>>>    VoIP soft-phones included in Ubuntu
>>>
>>> There are several alternative software based VoIP phones, that are 'free
>>> libre open', use 'open' protocols, and are included in the Ubuntu
>>> repositories. Among others, there are:
>>>
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Empathy <http://live.gnome.org/Empathy> with full Video & Voice
>>>
>>>      chat support, Google Talk compatible
>>>
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Pidgin <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin>
>>>
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Ekiga <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga>
>>>
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Twinkle <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Twinkle>
>>>
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Wengophone <http://www.wengophone.com/> now known as Qutecom.
>>>
>>>
>>>    * KPhone
>>>    * Gimzo5
>>>
>>>
>>>    Ethics of Skype
>>>
>>>
>>>      Free Software
>>>
>>> Ubuntu supports free software, which anyone can use, modify and improve,
>>> and open protocols, so that different software can interoperate. Skype's
>>> software and the Skype protocol are both entirely secret. Users may
>>> choose to avoid Skype because:
>>>
>>>    * They will be forced to use Skype software as no alternatives will
>>>      be available
>>>    * Once they develop a Skype network of contacts, it will be harder
>>>      to move to a free network
>>>    * Skype could begin charging for their service at any time they choose
>>>    *
>>>
>>>      Skype has deliberately limited capabilities of Skype for non-Intel
>>>      users (details here <http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=947>)
>>>
>>>    * Skype is provided and runs natively only on the x86 and x86_64 (32
>>>
>>>      and 64 bit), ARM (iPhone) and Power PC (Mac with G4 or G5
>>>      processor) architectures, excluding people using other architectures
>>>
>>>
>>>      Free speech
>>>
>>> Users may choose to avoid Skype because they have been engaged in
>>> censorship in China. Chinese users and users in certain countries may
>>> fear that along with censorship, they will suffer disclosure of their
>>> private conversations to other people, authorities or governments.
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:28:11 +0100
> From: "Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume" <schirume at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-ZW] Why skype is not part of ubuntu
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>  From my experience it's easy enough to differentiate between programs by
> their nature usually a good number are commercial and while getting used
> to open source you'll have to put and with different types of software,
> noting the license type and reading a little about it will suffice in most
> cases since different types usually don't always fit on one disc, server
> or repository.
> Skype, Adobe plugins usually fall into such categories it's worth filing
> bugs or sending emails to the repository maintainers to push items on to
> servers, if it's freely available it's a start - the rest needs users to
> make it happen requests and such.
>
> --
> Spencer
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> On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:06:31 +0100, Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> hi guys...i thought this was quite an interesting read.. on a very
>> common question for ubuntu users:
>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeEthics
>
>
>> Why is Skype not part of Ubuntu?
>>
>> Skype is not part of the Ubuntu distribution because it does not conform
>> to the requirements of the Ubuntu Charter. This is primarily because
>> source code is not available. A consequence of this is that it is
>> impossible to understand the Skype communication protocol, which
>> prevents competition and fractures the VoIP market, making it harder for
>> people to communicate. As an example, Skype users can only talk with
>> other Skype users because the Skype protocol is closed. But people using
>> SIP clients like Ekiga can talk with anyone else using a SIP client
>> (such as Wengophone or Twinkle) since SIP is a free protocol.
>> Earlier versions of Skype (1.2 and older) might have issues with basic
>> sound cards that do not support hardware mixing due to using the Open
>> Sound System (OSS).
>> VoIP soft-phones included in Ubuntu
>>
>> There are several alternative software based VoIP phones, that are 'free
>> libre open', use 'open' protocols, and are included in the Ubuntu
>> repositories. Among others, there are:
>> Empathy with full Video & Voice chat support, Google Talk compatible
>> Pidgin
>> Ekiga
>> Twinkle
>> Wengophone now known as Qutecom.KPhoneGimzo5
>> Ethics of Skype
>>
>> Free Software
>>
>> Ubuntu supports free software, which anyone can use, modify and improve,
>> and open protocols, so that different software can interoperate. Skype's
>> software and the Skype protocol are both entirely secret. Users may
>> choose to avoid Skype because:They will be forced to use Skype software
>> as no alternatives will be availableOnce they develop a Skype network of
>> contacts, it will be harder to move to a free networkSkype could begin
>> charging for their service at any time they choose
>> Skype has deliberately limited capabilities of Skype for non-Intel users
>> (details here)Skype is provided and runs natively only on the x86 and
>> x86_64 (32 and 64 bit), ARM (iPhone) and Power PC (Mac with G4 or G5
>> processor) architectures, excluding people using other architectures
>> Free speech
>> Users may choose to avoid Skype because they have been engaged in
>> censorship in China. Chinese users and users in certain countries may
>> fear that along with censorship, they will suffer disclosure of their
>> private conversations to other people, authorities or governments.
>
>
>
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> Spencer
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> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:16:23 +0100
> From: "Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume" <schirume at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ubuntu-ZW] Ubuntu
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> Is Ubuntu avaialble with a Shona locale?
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