[Ubuntu-ZW] Can someone please help me fix problem with ATI Radeon HD 4570 graphics card

Thu Feb 18 12:16:40 GMT 2010

It could probably be that. I download from the local repositories and i
get very good speeds, compared to what we were getting at your place,
but could that be a factor? 
Also, over here i connect through a proxy server and not directly, if
that makes a difference.

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:01 +0200, Donald Hobbs wrote:
> It's not doing it still is it ?
> 
> If it is .... then its an issue on that network.  I did not get a
> single lockup yesterday.
> Donald Hobbs
> 
> PhoenixTech
> 
> Cell: +263 912 258159
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> Team Leader
> Zimbabwe Ubuntu Loco Team
> donald at ubuntu.org.zw 
> 
> 
>  Carpé Aptenodytes
>  
> "The height of stupidity is most clearly demonstrated by the
> individual who ridicules something he knows nothing about." Albert
> Einstein 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gyron Mkwebo wrote: 
> > "this is a war that "we" cannot win." Sad truth. However, the idea of
> > getting into a shop with a bunch of liveCD's before buying a laptop
> > really apeals to me. I'm never going to buy a laptop before checking how
> > it works with my Ubuntu and if the salescritters wont let me test their
> > machines with my CDs, then i wont buy. So far my machine has locked up
> > on me more than 10 times! yes i mean it. I executed a command, sudo
> > apt-get install beagle and with 1 second to go, hardlockup! This, truly
> > speaking is annoying. I dont know how long i have to wait till there is
> > a fix to this.
> > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 13:13 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> >   
> > > Honestly....i think the blame is shared between ATI and ASUS in this
> > > case.
> > > 
> > > The problem with OEMs is very simple, end of the day, its all about
> > > the money.
> > > 
> > > ATI designs a chipset..sells it on to the OEM. 
> > > 
> > > The OEM looks at the chipset that will bring them the most
> > > profit....and since ATI's are much cheaper 
> > > than Nvidia, that automatically translates into profit. Especially if
> > > you keep your cost premiums to the lowest 
> > > possible.
> > > 
> > > Now, OEM's such as ASUS, have 'deals' with microsoft. Hence why every
> > > laptop you buy, automatically
> > > comes with windows preloaded. So if the laptop works in windows, and
> > > doesnt exhibit problems.... then the 
> > > laptop is perfect, and will be sold! End of the day OEM's dont care
> > > that linux doesnt run on their hardware...
> > > because it works in windows, besides...once you pay for the laptop,
> > > its a done deal.. ASUS have got their money 
> > > from you...thats all they wanted...and their only objective is
> > > accomplished once your receipt is printed. 
> > > 
> > > It is worth nothing, that in no part of the production, is the end
> > > user ever considered, except for the R&D/Marketing 
> > > department (who make their products flashy enough for you to consider
> > > buying), and thats all.
> > > 
> > > This is the realistic truth. they dont care if an onboard modem wont
> > > work in ubuntu, because if you read the 
> > > sticker that came on the laptop, it was "designed for windows
> > > xp/vista/7". When you buy a laptop, it is guaranteed
> > > to perform with the OS that it comes pre-loaded with. Anything over or
> > > under that.. is considered "out of specification"
> > > and no one will assume responsibility for whatever problems you
> > > encounter.
> > > 
> > > Honestly, the pressure needs to rather be shifted to ATI, who end of
> > > the day, have designed the chipsets, and 
> > > CAN create a working driver/platform which is compatible across
> > > multiple OS's... But they choose not to...or rather pass the 
> > > buck onto the OEM... who then passes it back to the manufacturer. In
> > > most cases... they produce a generic "proprietary"
> > > driver for linux, that provides the bare minimum functionality for
> > > that particular hardware.
> > > 
> > > All ASUS really do, is buy a whole lot of components from tom, dick
> > > and harry....solder them together, make a nice looking 
> > > case for it... then put it on the shelf for sale.
> > > 
> > > It really is a chicken or the egg situation.. 
> > > 
> > > i have had endless arguments with Dell and HP South Africa a few years
> > > back...on why their hardware wont run 
> > > linux properly. Believe me, this is a war that "we" cannot win. The
> > > market share for pre-loaded open source based 
> > > computer hardware is just a joke compared to the sales of pc's loaded
> > > with windows. 
> > > 
> > > This is the same story with onboard "soft" modems, sound cards,
> > > network cards, etc etc.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Gyron Mkwebo
> > > <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw> wrote:
> > >         Trawling the internet for a fix, I found this interesting
> > >         'rant':
> > >         
> > >         It is NOT ubuntu’s fault neither Linux fault if the user is
> > >         buying with
> > >         the wrong hardware. Yes, I know, in a perfect world every
> > >         single
> > >         hardware vendor should support linux out-of-the-box. The awful
> > >         truth is
> > >         that is not true.
> > >         
> > >         So what must users do? They go and buy whatever they think is
> > >         nice and
> > >         THEN complain because linux can’t run on it. It will run, you
> > >         just have
> > >         to wait a little, so the community can have the time to
> > >         reverse engineer
> > >         the drivers blah blah
> > >         
> > >         But the main thing is that people should START VOTING WITH THE
> > >         WALLET
> > >         
> > >         ffs get a live cd and BEFORE you buy the laptop try it. If we
> > >         start
> > >         buying ONLY from vendors that DO support linux then at some
> > >         point all hw
> > >         vendors will respect the linux community as they should.
> > >         
> > >         I, for example, HAVE NOT BOUGHT a single ATI card since 4
> > >         years ago. And
> > >         I tell the same thing to all the people that ask me about
> > >         buying
> > >         decisions. So ATI is loosing 100 clients (because of me) each
> > >         year. They
> > >         will fix their proper linux support or they will continue to
> > >         loose
> > >         clients (not only because of me but because of the buying
> > >         decisions of
> > >         all the linux community).
> > >         
> > >         SO, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET . START REACTING! MAKE THE
> > >         DIFFERENCE and stop
> > >         complainig to canonical.
> > >         
> > >         
> > >         On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 11:51 +0200, Gyron Mkwebo wrote:
> > >         > Got the laptop, worked on it 20 minutes and it freezes. All
> > >         i did was
> > >         > open eclipse and firefox, next thing, hard-lockup. Rebooted
> > >         the cold
> > >         > way, machine gets to desktop and while looking for a network
> > >         using the
> > >         > network manager, hard lockup.
> > >         > I real miss my HP nx7400. Had absolutely NO issues with all
> > >         the versions
> > >         > of ubuntu, i have used on it (started with 6.10).
> > >         > I'll try a BIOs update and see how it goes.
> > >         >
> > >         > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 08:50 +0200, Donald Hobbs wrote:
> > >         > > I fixed your laptop :-)  Its working fine now.
> > >         > > Donald Hobbs
> > >         > >
> > >         > > PhoenixTech
> > >         > >
> > >         > > Cell: +263 912 258159
> > >         
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