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Fri May 2 09:42:35 BST 2008
Neil, this is what I think is "value":
Being a member of a Ubuntu Linux users group can be useful. Ubuntu Linux
Zimbabwe (what the official name?) will;
0) organizes free learn sessions.
1) organizes a yearly conference.
2) prints and publishes a journal with news, information and technical
3) host sysadmin day
4) host Ubuntu installfests, boot camps
But, other than the things I mentioned above, what is the added value of
joining an Ubuntu Linux ZIM users group? Especially with the abundance of
freely available information on the Web and the presence of HLUG and ZOSS!.
Whenever I think about it, I always come back to the same conclusion. I
believe that the most value of being a member of a users group are the
people you meet during these group events, the face to face interaction, the
referrals and experience sharing.
It's that socializing and communicating with people, who share the same
interests as yours, what makes joining a users group in general, and an
Ubuntu one in particular, worthwhile. Don't you agree? What users group are
you a member of? What do you think a users group should do to justify its
existence and value to its members?
2008/5/2 Kalpesh Thaker <luminary06 at gmail.com>:
> Hi Ronald, great to "meet" you..
> I definitely agree with your points as well..... a person with your
> experience could be a great
> asset to the ubuntu community.
See my point above.
> its great to hear that companies are now going native with ubuntu
> infrastructures! for me that is a great achievement..as once apon a time
> nearly all companies were using pirated software.
We need to find out who else is using Ubuntu and for what? We need to build
up database of Ubuuntu users in Zimbabwe.
> Okay, as far as what yoafrica has donated, basically, they've donated a
> co-located hosting
> package, which involves hosting a dedicated server in our data centre,
> with its own dedicated bandwidth. Unfortunately, this does not include
> support other than physically keeping the machine connected and running
> 24/7...as discussed before i'll volunteer to do this...
> (no one else will get access to our data centre in any case) and if ray
> from enet will agree, i can help with maintaining the repository as well.
> Due to the nature of service for the repository, international bandwidth
> is expensive, and should be heavily limited by the shaper...i'll confirm to
> what specs...
> im sure international bandwidth would only be used to update the repo in
> any case.
> however, the repository will work extremely quick locally.....
> at whatever speed your connections can handle..as local bandwidth is free.
> However, this is completely different from our usual webhosting..as these
> have their own dedicated hosting servers... i dont think there was any talk
> of hosting an ubuntu website on these...?
> Neil, The alternative is to setup apache2 and virtualmin on the ubuntu
> repository itself, and install joomla 1.5 on it...then host the site from
> there... i can draw up a backup strategy for this as well....however,
> someone will have to communicate with ENET on that one, to find out if its
> okay to do so. i dont mind setting it up if we get a go ahead from enet, and
> if their too tied up with other things..i can then get the dns setup at
> yoafrica for www.ubuntu.org.zw to point to the repository... just an
> I will try and follow up with the domain registration with comone.....
why Comone and not Yo!Africa, does this mean that if Yo!Africa is going to
host the site we have to transfer the domain to Yo!. Will you talk to Helen
and find out what it takes to register the domain with Yo! (I have
registered a couple of domains with her help)
> i know i've been having endless delays with registering .org.zw lately...
> but basically, either way the website wont be happening until the domain is
> i think a meeting would be super cool... that way things can be discussed
> and planned out more clearly and formally.
Is there anyone who is prepared to host us for an informal, meet and greet
meeting? What will be aganda apart from meeting and greeting? Any dates in
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Neil Coetzer <ncoetzer at halsteds.co.zw>
> > Hi again Ronald,
> > Some valid points.
> > Firstly, when you talk of people "joining" Ubuntu Zimbabwe, are you
> > referring to the LoCo Team or just the community as a whole? Can you
> > elaborate a little on what 'value' you think people should get from
> > membership?
> > 0. Mission - Yes, I agree.
> > 1. Vision - Once again, agreed.
> > 2. Organisation - Team Structure - In some cases LoCo Teams operate fine
> > without any formal structure/leadership, and in other cases formal
> > structures have been established. I don't particularly mind either way
> > myself, but this would have to be decided on by the LoCo Team as a whole and
> > we would need opinions from all the members as to whether or not they feel a
> > formal structure is necessary at this point, and if so, to what extent.
> > 3. Ground Rules/Constitution - You might want to take a look at these,
> > which already apply to our community, as part of the worldwide Ubuntu
> > Community.
> > This Code of Conduct applies to everyone in any Ubuntu Community:
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> > The Leadership Code of Conduct applies to anyone in a leadership
> > position, which includes all LoCo Team Members:
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct
> > 4. Registering as a non-profit organisation would definitely be a good
> > thing and is something we have discussed briefly before but never acted on.
> > Do you know how to go about this? Registering with CSZ could also be a good
> > plan.
> > 5. I agree that we need to have a structure in place to handle the
> > sourcing of funds and handling of donations, etc. I would suggest however
> > that we wait until the country stabilizes a little more before making any
> > decisions. Should we decide to open our own bank account, the last thing we
> > need is to discover that the signatories have suddenly emigrated to the UK
> > :) However, I must be honest and say that I would be strongly opposed to any
> > form of membership subs as I don't feel this would conform to the ideals of
> > Ubuntu. Membership must be free for all, remembering that there is no lower
> > or upper age limit for membership and any lack of finances for an individual
> > should never be an issue where membership of our community/team is
> > concerned. Any funds that come in must be in the form of donations, or as a
> > result of any fund raising projects that we might run. As a compromise, we
> > could perhaps have a voluntary subscription for those members who are
> > willing and able to pay it, but at the end of the day it would basically be
> > a donation.
> > Web site:
> > As far as I know Yo!Africa uses Joomla as a default (Kalpesh, please
> > confirm), and in my opinion Joomla is the best to use so this would probably
> > suit us well. Raymond and I did work on a site last year and most of the
> > graphics and layout were completed, with only the content left to do.
> > However, both of us have recently changed jobs and moved to Harare (him from
> > Kwekwe, me from Masvingo) so have not had much time lately to continue
> > working on it. At the time, we designed a standard site (without using any
> > content management systems). I'm at home until Monday but will make a plan
> > next week to let everyone see the "look" for the site that we had come up
> > with. What I would suggest, if everyone approves the "look" of the site, is
> > that we then apply that look to a custom Joomla template. Since the site was
> > designed with css, we could just transfer those style sheets to the Joomla
> > template. I have only messed around a little with customising Joomla
> > templates, so if anyone else is more confident in this area I would most
> > willingly hand it over.
> > Off the top of my head, I would say the main priorities for the site are
> > as follows:
> > - To provide links to Ubuntu resources for Zimbabweans, including
> > local repository information, local downloads of Ubuntu iso's, the Zimbabwe
> > Ubuntu forum, mailing list and LoCo Team pages (which could be relocated
> > from the wiki to the local site, once it's up and running).
> > - To provide information and further links relating to open
> > source. I did e-mail ZOSS last year in connection with some sort of
> > affiliation and interlinking of sites, but to date have not received a
> > response.
> > - To provide notice for any upcoming/planned events in Zim.
> > - To provide updates on Zimbabwean projects (such as the Freedom
> > Toaster).
> > - In the future it might be an option to have our forum hosted
> > locally with the site, but I think we're still too small for this. At
> > present with the forum being hosted along with all the other Ubuntu forums,
> > we can benefit from the exposure and experience of Ubuntu users worldwide,
> > whereas a local forum would only be read by the relatively few Zimbabwean
> > users.
> > We have received approval from Canonical to register the domain
> > www.ubuntu.org.zw and I have requested this to be done through Yo!Africa
> > but have not received feedback yet. Kalpesh, can we liaise on this? As a
> > side note, I did notice that somebody has registered the domain
> > www.ubuntu.co.zw which has nothing to do with Ubuntu Linux - I'm not
> > sure if we have any grounds to complain regarding copyright infringement
> > under Zimbabwean law? Probably not. Does anyone know?
> > Ronald thanks again for your input and enthusiasm. I must admit that I
> > have been a bit lax following my move up here, but I'm fairly well settled
> > now so we definitely need to get the ball rolling again. I think we should
> > definitely organise a team meeting if possible at some point soon.
> > Regards,
> > Neil
> > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 18:55 +0200, ronald munjoma wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am sure you should be sick and tired of my emails by now (my
> > apologies, I had to go through the mailing list, this is my last email
> > today, I will summarize everything I have to say here - based on your
> > previous emails and my thought, think of it as digest)
> > I am a member of HLUG and ZOSS (founding member in both cases) to be
> > honest with you I have not derived much value frommy membership (I also
> > feel that I have not added much value to the other members). The two
> > organizations are "dead" when it comes to activities, mailing list posts,
> > forums, meetings, installfests....
> > When people join Zimbabwe Ubuntu they expect to derive so value from
> > their membership, please make sure that these people get something back and
> > at the same time let us allow them to add some value to us (networ-effect).
> > That been said we should come up with a compelling value proposition (Whats
> > In It For Me) for prospective members.
> > I strongly feel we nedd to formalise the group, right now we are just
> > but a bunch of individuals posting on the net. Yes open source projects,
> > groups are self organising, self controlling, self ... I strongly feel we
> > need to come up and agree on the following;
> > 0. Mission
> > 1. Vision
> > 2. Organisation - Team structure - postions, titles, duties and
> > responsibilities, expectation
> > 3. Ground rules/Constitution
> > 4. Register the group as a Non Profit Organisation, register with the
> > computer society (I dont see any value for members, but it gives us
> > credibility with whoever we would like to work with)
> > 5. setup a board of trustee - funding ahs to be sourced, membership subs
> > have to paid to run the group - we need people to hold us accountable.
> > (some might feel this is too eraly for this and our numbers are still
> > small, we need to get these in place so as to grow, I suggest we have an
> > interim committee in place, whose main responsibility is to put the above
> > listed items in place - the list is not exhaustive)
> > *Freedom Toaster*
> > Some two years ago efforts were made to bring in one from SA for use
> > during the LInux Expo, we were told the machine was huge. I feel we can make
> > a simple CD/DVD duplicator and turn it into a Freedom Toaster. Any ideas are
> > welcome. When we had a Suse installfest we asked people to bring in blank
> > CD/DVDs which we burnt for free, we also did the same at the Linux Expo. If
> > we are going to host an installfest we can also use PXE boot.
> > I have been using APTonCD with a friend to keep our boxes up to date, we
> > can also distribute APTonCDs for updates.
> > *Website*
> > Which type of hosting package did Yo! donate? If it supports php, mysql,
> > we will make use of Open Source content management solutions, Joomla,
> > drupal, Xoops... the choice is unlimited. I am prepared to work on this, I
> > will need help with the graphics design and content.
> > I feel we can make good use of the Wiki pages for now, they need some
> > updating, which I am prepared to do as well, please suggest the content that
> > you will like to see on the wiki site.
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