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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good ideas guys, but consider that
      conventional drives get damaged if they are thrown around and they
      will be with the mail and couriers. <br>
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      Flashdrives are essentially new technology solid state which will
      probably stand up better against abuse but in those sizes they are
      still expensive...<br>
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      Jan<br>
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      On 08/05/2013 20:13, Wesley Werner wrote:<br>
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            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank
            you Celeste!</span><br
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          <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I
            forgot to mention that I am donating my 500GB drive for
            this. D'oh! But how about we use both if you'd still like to
            :)</span>
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          <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Karl,
            we need at least 200GB. I'm not sure about cheaper, but
            certainly smaller and lighter! I'd like to find out more of
            how much the larger ones cost, but right now I can't really
            spend much which is why I'm donating what I already have.</span></div>
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        <div>--<br>
          Wesley</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Karl
          Wortmann <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>Why not use a flash drive? It's cheaper, smaller and
                lighter - therefore easier to send - and less prone to
                failure from bumps etc.<br>
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              Karl / Cantide<br>
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                  <div class="h5">On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:07 PM,
                    Celeste <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    wrote:<br>
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                        <p>I think that is a great idea I will gladly
                          donate a drive 500GB.... I
                          like the idea of sender pays and so on ..... I
                          do think that a week should
                          surfice rather than 2 ??? Maybeee ... <br>
                          <br>
                          I have loads of free software and will gladly
                          post discs to those who
                          require urgent patches etc .... <br>
                          <br>
                          Celeste<br>
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                            <p>On 08 May 2013 7:55:10 PM Wesley Werner
                              wrote:</p>
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                                  style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hello
                                  all,</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_default"
                                  style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                  William, this is related to you asking
                                  donating hdd's in DBNLUG for
                                  Ubuntu and repos. I have an idea and
                                  am posting it here to reach a more
                                  country-wide group. This is the
                                  proposal, I'd like to see what
                                  interest
                                  there is.</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"># The
                                      drive share project</font></div>
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                                    <font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">It's
                                      not easy to
                                      get new Operating Systems or
                                      software Repositories on _limited
                                      bandwidth_.
                                      There are many of us in beautiful
                                      South Africa who would love to
                                      receive a
                                      disk filled with Free Software, I
                                      certainly would!</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">I have
                                      the idea to
                                      donate a HDD to be carted around
                                      the country in the spirit of
                                      spreading
                                      more Free stuff. Everyone likes
                                      free stuff! This is version 1 of
                                      the idea,
                                      right now I don't know how well
                                      this will work so please give your
                                      input.</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">The
                                      base of the disk
                                      contents will be GNU / Linux
                                      distributions. There will be a
                                      designated
                                      directory for user contributed
                                      content too.</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">##
                                      Disk</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">One 500
                                      GB SATA drive, formatted as UDF,
                                      with a
                                      directory structure organized for
                                      OS's and software.</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">Why
                                      UDF? Even though it is widely used
                                      by CD/DVD
                                      media the specification allows for
                                      HDD's.</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">*
                                      Because it was designed for
                                      information exchange.</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">*
                                      Because it is an
                                      open standard.</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">*
                                      Because of
                                      64-bit file size.</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">*
                                      Because of unicode file
                                      names.</font></div>
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                                    <font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">I'd
                                      love to hear
                                      criticism of my fs choice, and am
                                      open to all suggestions and
                                      alternatives.<br>
                                    </font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">I think
                                      it would be
                                      nice if we can get an enclosure
                                      for the disk, it would certainly
                                      help
                                      connecting it up to your PC's.</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">##
                                      Transport</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">Logistics
                                      would be the hardest part to
                                      coordinate and fund. If I was a
                                      millionaire... I'd buy everyone
                                      DSL
                                      instead ;)</font></div>
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                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">A courier will
                                      cost
                                      some monies, and I am uncertain
                                      how to spread these costs. It does
                                      come to
                                      mind the person receiving pays
                                      COD, and if there is a group of
                                      you in a
                                      region, split the delivery cost
                                      and then shift the disk between
                                      each other.
                                      How does this sound?</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">A quick
                                      search shows
                                      postnet-to-postnet costs R99 for
                                      the first 2kg, there is the
                                      packaging
                                      detail too (air tight required?).
                                      Thus if its pay-before-post it
                                      works out
                                      each person pays for the next
                                      delivery. That means I get to pay
                                      the first
                                      delivery :)</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">##
                                      Schedule</font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">We
                                      need to draw up a list of people
                                      who would like the disk, together
                                      with a
                                      loose timeline to keep a decent
                                      schedule. Is 2 weeks per person
                                      enough
                                      time? Listing the schedule to an
                                      optimized path is a heck of a good
                                      idea
                                      too in reducing transport costs.</font></div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"><font
                                      face="verdana, sans-serif">That's
                                      the basic idea, loves? flames?
                                      that
                                      is all.</font></div>
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                                <div>--<br>
                                  Wesley</div>
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