I emailed system 76 and they not in S.A. yet. I didnt follow up but I'm sure you could ask to ship to S.A. w With costs included. Remember nothing is impossible Leon G. Marincowitz +27 83 982 63 15 <a href="mailto:lmarincowitz@gmail.com">lmarincowitz@gmail.com</a> <div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Jan 2013 5:16 PM, <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-za-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Send ubuntu-za mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-za digest..." Today's Topics: 1. A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Casper Labuschagne) 2. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (<a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>) 3. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton Gibson) 4. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton Gibson) 5. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton Gibson) 6. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Casper Labuschagne) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:08:29 +0200 From: Casper Labuschagne <<a href="mailto:casper.labuschagne@gmail.com">casper.labuschagne@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... Message-ID: <20130125140829.GB21410@zulu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I am trying to purchase a laptop/netbook (lightweight) that will run the latest Ubuntu. However I cannot find a single laptop without Windows 7 or Windows 8 pre-loaded. I have been using only Ubuntu since 2004 and have never looked back on that decision. I am now at the point where I refuse to pay the Microsoft tax on new computer hardware. In the USA you can indeed purchase a Dell Vostro without Windows, saving about $59 in the process. However that option is not available in South Africa - I tried without success. Any suggestions? Under the new consumer act it is of course illegal to make the purchase of one product dependent on the purchase of another product. However every supplier of computer hardware in South Africa enforce the purchase of Windows with their computer hardware. Sincerely Casper Labuschagne -- ---------------------------------------- Casper Labuschagne <a href="mailto:casper.labuschagne@gmail.com">casper.labuschagne@gmail.com</a> <a href="http://intermark.co.za" target="_blank">http://intermark.co.za</a> <a href="tel:%2B27%20%280%2982%20867%201767" value="+27828671767">+27 (0)82 867 1767</a> ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:23:35 +0000 From: <a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a> To: "Ubuntu South African Local Community" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... Message-ID: <1576812567-1359123810-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-366939722-@b28.c18.bise7.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Hi I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not sure, maybe someone will comment that knows. Juan Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:26:35 +0200 From: Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>, Ubuntu South African Local Community <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... Message-ID: <CAAV1Wv5WN5iyWyzAmqeB+=+<a href="mailto:xufKCjOaKxbQHvTEvJ-nnM2woxA@mail.gmail.com">xufKCjOaKxbQHvTEvJ-nnM2woxA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is: <a href="http://zareason.com" target="_blank">http://zareason.com</a> On 25 January 2013 16:23, <<a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>> wrote: > Hi > > I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not sure, > maybe someone will comment that knows. > > Juan > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -- > ubuntu-za mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za</a> > -- *Hilton Gibson* Systems Administrator JS Gericke Library Room 1025D Stellenbosch University Private Bag X5036 Stellenbosch 7599 South Africa Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2084%20646%204758" value="+27846464758">+27 84 646 4758</a> <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <CAAV1Wv40Vop-xGqE=bKUD9pp1=9k6Q8c=<a href="mailto:3U6R46Zt8ZtJseYyA@mail.gmail.com">3U6R46Zt8ZtJseYyA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And: <a href="http://www.system76.com" target="_blank">http://www.system76.com</a> On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > There is: <a href="http://zareason.com" target="_blank">http://zareason.com</a> > > > > On 25 January 2013 16:23, <<a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not sure, >> maybe someone will comment that knows. >> >> Juan >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -- >> ubuntu-za mailing list >> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za</a> >> > > > > -- > *Hilton Gibson* > Systems Administrator > JS Gericke Library > Room 1025D > Stellenbosch University > Private Bag X5036 > Stellenbosch > 7599 > South Africa > > Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2084%20646%204758" value="+27846464758">+27 84 646 4758</a> > <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> > -- *Hilton Gibson* Systems Administrator JS Gericke Library Room 1025D Stellenbosch University Private Bag X5036 Stellenbosch 7599 South Africa Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2084%20646%204758" value="+27846464758">+27 84 646 4758</a> <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CAAV1Wv7Fc_cu14tp3W3cDnYi9xY2_szdcWV4J2FMTAK%2B51vx7w@mail.gmail.com">CAAV1Wv7Fc_cu14tp3W3cDnYi9xY2_szdcWV4J2FMTAK+51vx7w@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And finally: <a href="http://linuxpreloaded.com" target="_blank">http://linuxpreloaded.com</a> On 25 January 2013 16:30, Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > And: <a href="http://www.system76.com" target="_blank">http://www.system76.com</a> > > > > On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> There is: <a href="http://zareason.com" target="_blank">http://zareason.com</a> >> >> >> >> On 25 January 2013 16:23, <<a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not >>> sure, maybe someone will comment that knows. >>> >>> Juan >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-za mailing list >>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za</a> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Hilton Gibson* >> Systems Administrator >> JS Gericke Library >> Room 1025D >> Stellenbosch University >> Private Bag X5036 >> Stellenbosch >> 7599 >> South Africa >> >> Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2084%20646%204758" value="+27846464758">+27 84 646 4758</a> >> <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> >> <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> >> <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> >> <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> >> > > > > -- > *Hilton Gibson* > Systems Administrator > JS Gericke Library > Room 1025D > Stellenbosch University > Private Bag X5036 > Stellenbosch > 7599 > South Africa > > Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2084%20646%204758" value="+27846464758">+27 84 646 4758</a> > <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> > <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> > -- *Hilton Gibson* Systems Administrator JS Gericke Library Room 1025D Stellenbosch University Private Bag X5036 Stellenbosch 7599 South Africa Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20808%204100" value="+27218084100">+27 21 808 4100</a> | Cell: +27 84 646 4758 <a href="http://library.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://library.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://scholar.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://scholar.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://ar1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://ar1.sun.ac.za</a> <a href="http://aj1.sun.ac.za" target="_blank">http://aj1.sun.ac.za</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 04:31:28PM +0200, Hilton Gibson wrote: > And finally:A <a href="http://linuxpreloaded.com" target="_blank">http://linuxpreloaded.com</a> > On 25 January 2013 16:30, Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > And: <a href="http://www.system76.com" target="_blank">http://www.system76.com</a> > On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <<a href="mailto:hilton.gibson@gmail.com">hilton.gibson@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > There is:A <a href="http://zareason.com" target="_blank">http://zareason.com</a> > On 25 January 2013 16:23, <<a href="mailto:juank@vodamail.co.za">juank@vodamail.co.za</a>> wrote: They all appear to be companies outside of South Africa. Unfortunately I suffer from the "South-African curse" - I can purchase online provided I can pay by direct bank transfer, otherwise I have to hunt for someone with a credit card to pay on my behalf. Well, for once I have the cash to buy a decent, brand new laptop though my only real option for a laptop without Windows will be to purchase a second-hand laptop, Linux runs brilliantly on the older Pentium Duo based laptops that could be had cheaply. > I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not > sure, maybe someone will comment that knows. Yes, I checked my mail in Mutt before I posted this, and the solution was to buy the Ubuntu-configured Dell Vostro laptops available in the USA. There are Ubuntu configured laptops from Dell, Hewlett Packard, Asus and others available in Italy, Germany and elsewhere in EU. It does appear that Microsoft has a complete monopoly over the English speaking world though. Maybe it is time for an Ubuntu branded laptop that can be sold retail. I would guess that a company such as Asus would be prepared to sell OEM products in bulk for re-branding. Thanks Casper -- ---------------------------------------- Casper Labuschagne <a href="mailto:casper.labuschagne@gmail.com">casper.labuschagne@gmail.com</a> <a href="http://intermark.co.za" target="_blank">http://intermark.co.za</a> +27 (0)82 867 1767 ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-za mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za</a> End of ubuntu-za Digest, Vol 88, Issue 28 ***************************************** </blockquote></div>