[ubuntu-za] A new laptop for Ubuntu without windows
Karl Wortmann
karlwortmann at gmail.com
Sat Jan 26 08:50:58 UTC 2013
Hi everyone,
Casper has a very good idea. Perhaps we could arrange some kind of peaceful
protest against it? I would love to take part. We would raise awareness
about alternative software (read Ubuntu / GNU Linux) at the same time.
Surely there is something that we, as a community, can do. I myself have
not bought a laptop for the very reason that I don't want to buy Windows.
A quick Google search turned up this page:
http://www.southafrica.info/services/consumer/consumer.htm#.UQOYC337vac
It has useful links to various consumer related bodies; I haven't
thoroughly looked at it though.
Regards,
Karl / Cantide
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Casper Labuschagne <
casper.labuschagne at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 05:25:37PM +0200, Leon Gert Marincowitz wrote:
> > I emailed system 76 and they not in S.A. yet. I didnt follow up but
> I'm
> > sure you could ask to ship to S.A. w With costs included. Remember
> nothing
> > is impossible
>
> I am looking at System 76.
>
> The laptops are great, but priced in Dollar terms. In Rand terms
> though they are high-end laptops with no "budget" involved.
>
> You can surely getting one shipped here. But without a credit card
> it is a major hassle to get that arranged. And I mean, I will have
> to take a day and go to either Welkom or Vanderbijlpark since no bank
> in the little Freestate town where I stay can handle anything to do
> with foreign exchange - and that is only for starters.
>
> Sigh. Why could it not just be easy? Laptops from most major
> manufacturers are available in the EU with Ubuntu preconfigured since
> the EU closely monitors Microsofts monopolistic practices. But in
> most of the English speaking world, Microsoft has the OEM arrangement
> with manufacturers sewn up tightly where it is practically impossible
> to purchase a brand-name PC without Windows pre-installed.
>
> This is unfair and to me represents bullying and robbery. This is
> also contrary to the Consumer Protection Act in South Africa where
> the purchase of one product based on the conditional purchase of
> another product is illegal. The Linux community should get involved
> in some activism and do something about it.
>
> I certainly plan to carry on at this, firstly by making a list of the
> brands and retailers that insist on selling Windows bundled with
> laptops; by stirring up activism in this regard; and by investigating
> laying a complaint to whatever body deals with the implementation of
> the Consumer Protection Act in South-Africa.
>
> Let's fair be fair...
>
> Thanks
>
> Casper
>
> >
> > Leon G. Marincowitz
> > +27 83 982 63 15
> > lmarincowitz at gmail.com
> >
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> > 1. A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Casper
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> > 2. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > (juank at vodamail.co.za)
> > 3. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton
> Gibson)
> > 4. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton
> Gibson)
> > 5. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows... (Hilton
> Gibson)
> > 6. Re: A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > (Casper Labuschagne)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:08:29 +0200
> > From: Casper Labuschagne <casper.labuschagne at gmail.com>
> > To: ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID: <20130125140829.GB21410 at zulu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to purchase a laptop/netbook (lightweight) that will run
> > the latest Ubuntu.
> >
> > However I cannot find a single laptop without Windows 7 or Windows 8
> > pre-loaded. I have been using only Ubuntu since 2004 and have never
> > looked back on that decision.
> >
> > I am now at the point where I refuse to pay the Microsoft tax on new
> > computer hardware.
> >
> > In the USA you can indeed purchase a Dell Vostro without Windows,
> > saving about $59 in the process. However that option is not
> > available in South Africa - I tried without success.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Under the new consumer act it is of course illegal to make the
> > purchase of one product dependent on the purchase of another
> product.
> > However every supplier of computer hardware in South Africa enforce
> > the purchase of Windows with their computer hardware.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Casper Labuschagne
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Casper Labuschagne
> > casper.labuschagne at gmail.com
> > http://intermark.co.za
> > +27 (0)82 867 1767
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:23:35 +0000
> > From: juank at vodamail.co.za
> > To: "Ubuntu South African Local Community"
> > <ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> <1576812567-1359123810-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-366939722- at b28.c18.bise7.blackberry
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> >
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> > Hi
> >
> > I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way. Not
> > sure, maybe someone will comment that knows.
> >
> > Juan
> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:26:35 +0200
> > From: Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > To: juank at vodamail.co.za, Ubuntu South African Local
> Community
> > <ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > <CAAV1Wv5WN5iyWyzAmqeB+=+xufKCjOaKxbQHvTEvJ-nnM2woxA at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > There is: http://zareason.com
> >
> > On 25 January 2013 16:23, <juank at vodamail.co.za> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way.
> Not
> > sure,
> > > maybe someone will comment that knows.
> > >
> > > Juan
> > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > *Hilton Gibson*
> > Systems Administrator
> > JS Gericke Library
> > Room 1025D
> > Stellenbosch University
> > Private Bag X5036
> > Stellenbosch
> > 7599
> > South Africa
> >
> > Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > http://library.sun.ac.za
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:30:29 +0200
> > From: Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > To: juank at vodamail.co.za, Ubuntu South African Local
> Community
> > <ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID:
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> > <CAAV1Wv40Vop-xGqE=bKUD9pp1=9k6Q8c=3U6R46Zt8ZtJseYyA at mail.gmail.com
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> > And: http://www.system76.com
> >
> > On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There is: http://zareason.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 January 2013 16:23, <juank at vodamail.co.za> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way.
> Not
> > sure,
> > >> maybe someone will comment that knows.
> > >>
> > >> Juan
> > >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ubuntu-za mailing list
> > >> ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com
> > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Hilton Gibson*
> > > Systems Administrator
> > > JS Gericke Library
> > > Room 1025D
> > > Stellenbosch University
> > > Private Bag X5036
> > > Stellenbosch
> > > 7599
> > > South Africa
> > >
> > > Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > > http://library.sun.ac.za
> > > http://scholar.sun.ac.za
> > > http://ar1.sun.ac.za
> > > http://aj1.sun.ac.za
> > >
> >
> > --
> > *Hilton Gibson*
> > Systems Administrator
> > JS Gericke Library
> > Room 1025D
> > Stellenbosch University
> > Private Bag X5036
> > Stellenbosch
> > 7599
> > South Africa
> >
> > Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > http://library.sun.ac.za
> > http://scholar.sun.ac.za
> > http://ar1.sun.ac.za
> > http://aj1.sun.ac.za
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:31:28 +0200
> > From: Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > To: juank at vodamail.co.za, Ubuntu South African Local
> Community
> > <ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID:
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> > <CAAV1Wv7Fc_cu14tp3W3cDnYi9xY2_szdcWV4J2FMTAK+51vx7w at mail.gmail.com
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> > And finally: http://linuxpreloaded.com
> >
> > On 25 January 2013 16:30, Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > And: http://www.system76.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> There is: http://zareason.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 25 January 2013 16:23, <juank at vodamail.co.za> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>> I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or a way.
> Not
> > >>> sure, maybe someone will comment that knows.
> > >>>
> > >>> Juan
> > >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> ubuntu-za mailing list
> > >>> ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com
> > >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Hilton Gibson*
> > >> Systems Administrator
> > >> JS Gericke Library
> > >> Room 1025D
> > >> Stellenbosch University
> > >> Private Bag X5036
> > >> Stellenbosch
> > >> 7599
> > >> South Africa
> > >>
> > >> Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > >> http://library.sun.ac.za
> > >> http://scholar.sun.ac.za
> > >> http://ar1.sun.ac.za
> > >> http://aj1.sun.ac.za
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Hilton Gibson*
> > > Systems Administrator
> > > JS Gericke Library
> > > Room 1025D
> > > Stellenbosch University
> > > Private Bag X5036
> > > Stellenbosch
> > > 7599
> > > South Africa
> > >
> > > Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > > http://library.sun.ac.za
> > > http://scholar.sun.ac.za
> > > http://ar1.sun.ac.za
> > > http://aj1.sun.ac.za
> > >
> >
> > --
> > *Hilton Gibson*
> > Systems Administrator
> > JS Gericke Library
> > Room 1025D
> > Stellenbosch University
> > Private Bag X5036
> > Stellenbosch
> > 7599
> > South Africa
> >
> > Tel: +27 21 808 4100 | Cell: +27 84 646 4758
> > http://library.sun.ac.za
> > http://scholar.sun.ac.za
> > http://ar1.sun.ac.za
> > http://aj1.sun.ac.za
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:16:16 +0200
> > From: Casper Labuschagne <casper.labuschagne at gmail.com>
> > To: Ubuntu South African Local Community <
> ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] A new Laptop for Ubuntu without Windows...
> > Message-ID: <20130125151616.GC21410 at zulu>
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for all the replies!
> >
> > I really think this is an issue for some Open-Source activism - a
> > whole industry forcing consumers to use and purchase the add-on
> > product of one specific company, namely Microsoft even though better
> > alternatives exist in the market. Does anyone else feel this way?
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 04:31:28PM +0200, Hilton Gibson wrote:
> > > And finally:A http://linuxpreloaded.com
> > > On 25 January 2013 16:30, Hilton Gibson <
> hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > And: http://www.system76.com
> > > On 25 January 2013 16:26, Hilton Gibson <
> hilton.gibson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > There is:A http://zareason.com
> > > On 25 January 2013 16:23, <juank at vodamail.co.za> wrote:
> >
> > They all appear to be companies outside of South Africa.
> > Unfortunately I suffer from the "South-African curse" - I can
> > purchase online provided I can pay by direct bank transfer,
> otherwise
> > I have to hunt for someone with a credit card to pay on my behalf.
> >
> > Well, for once I have the cash to buy a decent, brand new laptop
> > though my only real option for a laptop without Windows will be to
> > purchase a second-hand laptop, Linux runs brilliantly on the older
> > Pentium Duo based laptops that could be had cheaply.
> >
> > > I think this has came up sometime ago. The is someone or
> a
> > way. Not
> > > sure, maybe someone will comment that knows.
> >
> > Yes, I checked my mail in Mutt before I posted this, and the
> solution
> > was to buy the Ubuntu-configured Dell Vostro laptops available in
> the
> > USA.
> >
> > There are Ubuntu configured laptops from Dell, Hewlett Packard, Asus
> > and others available in Italy, Germany and elsewhere in EU. It
> > does appear that Microsoft has a complete monopoly over the English
> > speaking world though.
> >
> > Maybe it is time for an Ubuntu branded laptop that can be sold
> retail.
> > I would guess that a company such as Asus would be prepared to sell
> > OEM products in bulk for re-branding.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Casper
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Casper Labuschagne
> > casper.labuschagne at gmail.com
> > http://intermark.co.za
> > +27 (0)82 867 1767
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