[ubuntu-za] Configuring Ubuntu 11.10

Thu Dec 22 18:35:24 UTC 2011

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On Dec 22, 2011 7:38 PM, "Lee Sharp" <leesharp at hal-pc.org> wrote:
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> On 12/22/2011 03:21 AM, Peter Nel wrote:
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>> I know we've been reading very vocal opinions against Unity, and it
>> pains me that so many negativity have been spread around it.
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> And I am sick and tired of my reasoned opinions being called FUD.
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>
>> Unity in 11.10 was actually voted most popular in one of the latest
polls:
>> [Poll Result: 15,900 votes Cast; Unity Named Most Popular Desktop]
>>
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/
>> Results look substantially better than earlier polls, so it seems
>> people are warming up to the idea.
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>
> Go look at the Phoronix poll.  The most common thread is that Gnome Shell
is bad, and bring back Gnome 2.  Also, consider the question, "Which
Desktop Environment Do You Use in Ubuntu 11.10?"  Not a lot of option
there...  Unity, Gnome Shell, or a castrated and non-functioning clone of
Gnome 2.  And Unity is MUCH better than Gnome 3.  It is actually a good
tool for some, but not for me on a computer, and for many others on full
sized computers.  Note that I am looking at a tablet, and I would install
unity on that.
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>
>> Certain people are so against change that they actively spread Fear
>> Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) to force some agenda, whether by
>> sensational blog articles to pull ad-clicking revenue-generating
>> viewers, or in forum comments.
>> Rest assured, they are the minority, who tend to contribute very
>> little to the community.
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>
> Like that lazy Linus guy?
http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=linus+Gnbome+3&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=linus%20Gnome%203
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> Now let me skip to your other e-mail...
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> On 12/22/2011 08:28 AM, Peter Nel wrote:
> > It's opinionated comments like that that creates fear (uncertainty,
> > and doubt) in the minds of less experienced users whom we are supposed
> > to guide into adoption.
>
> And reactionary responses like yours which perpetuate the problem.  It is
not FUD.  It is a reasoned opinion based on facts and the way I and many
others use a computer.
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> > Recommending degrading to 10.04 is a short term "solution" at best,
> > and is irresponsible. It's already 3x releases old. The next one,
> > 12.04 is the next LTS, and Canonical will be discontinuing support for
> > 10.04 in the near future... Are YOU going to support them then? Or
> > what, are you going to tell them to migrate to Linux Mint, that with
> > Mint 12 (Lisa) has also seen the sense of going over to Gnome3 (it's
> > supposed "edge" over Ubuntu having been Gnome 2!), or perhaps some
> > other less-supported desktop?
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> All of it is a short term solution.  The end is different, but support
will end for 12.04 as well.  Hopefully by the time 10.04 is no longer
updated there will be other options.  There are already two BIG ones. There
is the fork of Gnome 2, Mate, which is intended to be Gnome 2 with gtk3.
 And there is the fork of Gnome 3 which is intended to have the Gnome 2 DE
ported.  This is being done by the Linux Mint guys.
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> > You have the right to your opinion but don't sell it as fact, or
> > impose it on impressionable people who may take your word as
> > authoritative on the subject.
>
> OK.  How about some facts?  Gnome 3 is designed around a single
application viewable at a time.  Right now I have 4 windows open and
visible.  They are at all of the edges of the screen.  If I move a window
to the top of the screen in Unity, it goes full screen, and I have to move
it back and jack with it.  If I want to find a window, I have to go via the
App menu first.  This is not how I and many others do work.  It slows me
down a LOT.  Also the search instead of a menu...  I have this DNS server
benchmarking application installed.  What was it called again?  Search DNS,
but nope...  Or in Gnome 2, I go to Applications -> Internet and find
NameBench.  That was it!  (Yes, this actually happened.  I went back to my
other computer to find the app on the Unity box I was trying to use.)
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> > There are many (apparently the majority according to recent polls) old
> > and new users that like Unity and/or Gnome3.
>
> Whose poll?  omgubuntu is a nice blog, but it has a audience skewed
toward the non-technical. (Of Linux users, which is highly technical, but
hang on) If you look at network admins, developers, and hackers (old
version, not crackers) you see a lot more resentment.  You also see them
leaving in droves because they have the skill to do so.  Look at Linus,
Eric Raymond, Richard Stalman...  They are all leaving Ubuntu or Gnome
right now.  And they do not take polls at omgubuntu...
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> > Certain people find it hard to adapt I find, more due to old habits
> > than the new paradigm being inferior in design or concept.
>
> I can adapt.  I can drive a nail with a rock.  But there is this well
working hammer right here, and I would rather use that.
>
>
> As to the other comment about applications, I am also running the nvidia
ppa and the firefox ppa, the WINE ppa, and some others, so I am not totally
in the dark ages here.
>
>                        Lee

Lee I was not referring to PPA's here but to the applications designed to
run with Unity and the dash.

I am all for people choosing the desktops they want, and if you are unable
to migrate to something new then you are free to use whatever you are used
to.

I like Unity, and find it an improvement over both Gnome 2 and 3.

I wonder what percentage of Ubuntu users are technical/non technical.

Surely "Linux for all" skews towards the non tech crowd?

I sincerely hope by rolling back to 10.04 means interface only, and not
also the kernel and other old stuff that is in there.

Unity is new and still needs some work, but it has improved a lot release
on release, and I trust it will continue to do so.

I consider myself a technical user and I prefer unity to any other desktop.
Personally I believe it to be superior to any other environment on the
traditional desktop.

To each his own, I guess.
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