[ubuntu-za] Re: ubuntu-za Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2

I'm sorry dude. But will you please remove the rubbish from these
e-mails. Its annoying to wade through a whole lot of e-mails just to
find what you say at the bottom. Its very rude.
I've left them all in so you can see what I have to look at everytime:


Philip Copeman wrote:
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>>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:10:11 +0200
>>From: Philip Copeman <philip at pinksoft.co.za>
>>Subject: [ubuntu-za] Re: ubuntu-za Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
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>>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:27:06 +0200
>>From: Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm at mithrandr.moria.org>
>>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-za] Re: ubuntu-za Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
>>To: Ubuntu South African Local Community <ubuntu-za at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>>On Thu 2005-11-03 (15:10), Philip Copeman wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>If you take my thread you will see that "If we find the right partners, I will
>>>sort out the financing."
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>I read that as being companies.  A Joint Venture (in capital letters)
>>implied to me some sort of agreement between companies to work together
>>on something.  It differs from employing someone in terms of risk - in a
>>JV, both people are taking the risk, but employment means the employer
>>is taking on the risk of project failure.
>>
>>  
>>
>>>I am a one man business and want to stay that way. I certainly don't expect to
>>>get this done for free. However I do want to get it done unde the Open Source
>>>paradigm.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>The Open Source paradigm is generally that one person does the majority
>>of the work, and others attach themselves once it is some (usually most)
>>of the way there.  It's rare that a group of people form to develop
>>something from scratch.
>>
>>One has to form a group of developers with a common goal if you want to
>>do this properly.  This generally means employing them.  At the
>>beginning, it's mostly the same as the proprietary model in terms of
>>costs and effort - the payoff comes as people attach themselves to and
>>become invested in your project.
>>
>>It may be possible to treat the group of developers as not part of your
>>company, but there are severe tax problems with this if it continues for
>>long.  They become considered service companies to a single company, and
>>pay a fixed-rate tax.
>>
>>It might be that you need to change from a one man business to attract
>>the developers.
>>
>>  
>>
>>>I am still not getting "real " develoeprs form this list. Have I come to the
>>>wrong place
>>>
>>>You say "Finding a group of developers separately who want to work on
>>>Linux software development sounds a lot easier." - Now I may come form
>>>a Windows Centric world, but I find finding this group not that easy.
>>>There are a lot of Linux "integrators" around, but programmers seem a
>>>lot rarer. I need real coders.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>You're probably sending the wrong message - certainly it never sounded
>>that you were interested in paying me, as an individual, money to work
>>with you.  Your message needs to be something like this:
>>
>>"I need some developers to work on an exciting open source program.
>>This is an ideal opportunity to work in a small team where your input
>>will affect the course of the product's future.  I primarily need bright
>>people with 2 to 5 years experience with Linux applications development
>>preferably in multiple languages (Python, Lazarus, or C++ experience
>>would be a bonus), and am willing to pay R15k to R25k a month for such
>>experience, but I'm willing to consider applicants with lesser or more
>>experience.  This is a minimum six month contract, with a possibility
>>for ongoing collaboration."
>>
>>What it tells them first is that you're looking for individual
>>developers, and it also says that you are serious about this, that you
>>have thought about the project and its budget, that you know what you
>>are looking for and what you want to achieve, and that you welcome those
>>who don't have the exact criteria but who think they could do the work
>>just as well.  You're telling them that you will have funding for at
>>least six months.  The six months (or whatever it really is) will inform
>>any risk-assessment activities on the part of the developer.
>>
>>The above style informs me (at the very least) of all I need to know to
>>make my first impression of the job.  It may be "not enough money" or
>>"it sounds too risky" or "I don't have enough experience" or "too long",
>>but there's no point attracting people that think that.  But it might
>>say "sounds interesting", or "I could do that job", or "wow, that's
>>pretty nice money", and then they can do some research.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> Its really easy to assess us just go to  - www.turbocash.co.za
> 
> Your job description looks fine above. Where do I find these people? I
> am definitely NOT an employer (sorry Niel I am a one man business and
> intend ot stay that way) - I want to deal with a company - they can do
> the employing.
> 
> 
> 

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