I see your point. I guess that means that the chosen solution should be optional and also offer an appropriate non-gender specific version.<div>Let me clarify one thing though. I propose that the personal pronoun I choose for myself should be stored locally on my computer and be available only to me, in exactly the same way as my account's login, password and icon are. I am not suggesting that this information should be public or stored online. And while I definitely prefer not giving up my gender to all kinds of corporations where I have an account, I would like to see my computer, on which I spend several hours a day, to use the appropriate pronouns when referring to me. And I'm specifically thinking of the ubuntu me/messaging menus here, and how they translate in languages like French, German, Spanish, etc., where adjectives like busy and away are inflected based on gender.</div>
<div><br></div><div>On the other hand, I don't know, maybe this is a dangerous can of worms, where we stand more to lose than to gain.</div><div><br></div><div>Jenny<br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Ireene-Sointu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ireenesointu@phonecoop.coop">ireenesointu@phonecoop.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hello!<br>
I would like this to be taken into account if/when anything relating
to gender pronouns is determined:<br>
per = she or he<br>
pers = her or his<br>
pershelf = herself or himself<br>
This would do away with a need to differentiate genders for those
people who do not want it; who want to emphasize our common humanity
rather than our differencies like I do.<br>
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With best wishes,<br>
Ireene-Sointu<br>
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<pre cols="72">Legally, one personal name: Ireene-Sointu. No surname. No title.</pre>
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12.03.2012 08:52, Jennie Petoumenou kirjoitti:
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">Hello again,
<div>I guess the main reason why I joined this mailing list today
was to ask a very specific question:</div>
<div>Has there ever been a discussion about using gender-specific
pronouns in applications?</div>
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E.g., if your username is jennie, your online status should read
"She is busy", "ocupada??" in Spanish. If it's John it should be
"He is busy".</div>
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<div>Personally, I've grown tired of having to use complicated
he/she structures whenever I translate into Greek. Especially
when I see what great pains developers have taken to avoid using
complicated singular/plural structures. These days, dialogs
don't say "13 second(s) remaining". They either say "1 second
remaining" or "13 seconds remaining". And if your language has a
different conception of plurality, this is also accommodated
(for polish,there is a binary plural for "2 seconds
remaining") . So, how come I cannot have "She is busy" or "She
has won the game"?</div>
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<div>Like I said, I don't really know if this idea has ever been
discussed before. But I would like to see it being discussed,
not just for FOSS, but for all software. And I would really like
to see some concrete proposals from people with better coding
skills than myself.</div>
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<div>What I have been envisaging is this: Every time you're asked
to create a username (mostly in messaging applications and
games), you would also be asked "What pronoun would you like to
use with this username?" And your options would be all the
grammatically correct options available in your language. E.g.,
in German and Greek it would be masculine, feminine, neutral, in
both singular and plural. Thus covering a range of choices,
including nicknames based on inanimate objects or couples having
joint acounts. Moreover, such an approach would alleviate many
privacy and discrimination concerns, as opposed to a question
like "Are you male or female?"</div>
<div>As for the technical side of things, I suppose that the
singular/plural differentiation and localisation infrastructure
would provide a good starting point for this.</div>
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<div>Jennie</div>
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