I m afraid you re right: being rude doesn t seem to be a problem. And to me that, in itself, is a problem. What else do we have the CoC for? Is it something more than just a nice symbol? We lost some really good volunteers because of this. And the question is: who do you choose for? The ones who are leaving or the ones who think they have the right to be unpolite? Of course: in Ubuntu we should all be equal, but are we? "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Are people who have contributed a lot to Ubuntu more entitled to behave improperly than those who haven't made so many contributions yet? Brrrrrrr..... it's the old question of the abuse of power again, I m afraid. Akke <div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/2 Vid. A <<a href="mailto:vid@svaksha.com">vid@svaksha.com</a>>: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">> > How has the Code of Conduct helped you? </div>Here are my personal observations which I had meant to blog about for some months now but......., and for those who've heard me say this before, i'll try to keep it short : 0] imho people need to be polite and helpful, period ; instead of blindly signing the CoC (see #1) just to get the Ubuntu membership and flouting the CoC because they _can_ get away with it and often do, in an obtuse way(see #2). 1] Over time, the CoC signing has become a ritual leading to (the status symbol?) : the ubuntu membership (with perks like and @<a href="http://ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu.com</a> mail id and the irc cloak, etc...). So while the Ubuntu membership entry is simple, the exit for negative behaviour is still not in Black 'N White and action is taken only when _many_ people complain.... kinda sad. I'd rather not go into specifics since all of us here are aware of them but ignore it(?). 2] Sometimes its exactly zero standards (or maybe "different" standards?), so if the CoC is being applied in an obtuse kind of way the crux of the problem remains unresolved. If its all talk and no action, then its definitely not very motivating for volunteers and just perhaps the CoC implementation is b0rken. That said, for the larger part the community has grown phenomenally, attracted a lot of new blood, which is simply fantastic. One would not find this growth in any other community in such a short span of time but on closer observation, over the years (far too) many old-timers have left (for various reasons, best known to them) and that is Ubuntu's loss. If the attrition rate in the commercial industry is worrisome, in the volunteer community its precious and worth keeping an eye over. So i'd love to see #1 & 2 change and #0 as the norm, thence making the CoC redundant. /end thinking out loud. ...and thanks for listening ! -- Vid || <a href="http://www.svaksha.com" target="_blank">http://www.svaksha.com</a> || <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> -- ubuntu-women mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women</a> </div></div></blockquote></div>