Congratulations to both Mackenzie and Riwal. Riwal you've got a great idea,that can be emulated across the board and I wouldnt mind to help in any way I can. Way to Go! 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Today's Topics: 1. Mackenzie Morgan is now an Ubuntu Member! (Elizabeth Bevilacqua) 2. Re: Mackenzie Morgan is now an Ubuntu Member! (bapoumba) 3. Ubuntu4gilrs ( Mariwal Jord?o ) 4. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Danyelle Gragsone) 5. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Miriam Ruiz) 6. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Elizabeth Bevilacqua) 7. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Miriam Ruiz) 8. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Meg Kurdziolek) 9. Re: Ubuntu4girls projetc (Miriam Ruiz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:07:43 -0400 From: "Elizabeth Bevilacqua" < <a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com">lyz@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: [UbuntuWomen] Mackenzie Morgan is now an Ubuntu Member! To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com </a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:13ae6a200709280407u4d524035k5c6d61dcf3ec8943@mail.gmail.com">13ae6a200709280407u4d524035k5c6d61dcf3ec8943@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the spirit of continuing to encourage women on-list by posting about women who have become Members and made other accomplishments within the Ubuntu Project - Congrats to Mackenzie Morgan for being approved as an Ubuntu Member yesterday! Mackenzie (macogw on freenode) has contributed to helping out users with technical issues on the Ubuntu Forums, spread Ubuntu to family and classmates and has been working heavily with the Ubuntu DC LoCo team and is a moderator for the Northeast US forums. and (most exciting for me!) has been spending time with the Ubuntu Pennsylvania team as well since she comes home to to spend time in Pittsburgh a few times a year. Her wiki page: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan</a> Launchpad: <a href="https://launchpad.net/~maco.m">https://launchpad.net/~maco.m</a> -- Elizabeth Bevilacqua <a href="http://www.princessleia.com">http://www.princessleia.com</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:19:58 +0200 From: bapoumba <<a href="mailto:bapoumba@gmail.com"> bapoumba@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Mackenzie Morgan is now an Ubuntu Member! To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:543074060709280419p18025edfm85e1dd111e6e2658@mail.gmail.com">543074060709280419p18025edfm85e1dd111e6e2658@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 9/28/07, Elizabeth Bevilacqua < <a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com">lyz@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > In the spirit of continuing to encourage women on-list by posting > about women who have become Members and made other accomplishments > within the Ubuntu Project - Congrats to Mackenzie Morgan for being > approved as an Ubuntu Member yesterday! > > Mackenzie (macogw on freenode) has contributed to helping out users > with technical issues on the Ubuntu Forums, spread Ubuntu to family > and classmates and has been working heavily with the Ubuntu DC LoCo > team and is a moderator for the Northeast US forums. and (most > exciting for me!) has been spending time with the Ubuntu Pennsylvania > team as well since she comes home to to spend time in Pittsburgh a few > times a year. > > Her wiki page: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan</a> > Launchpad: <a href="https://launchpad.net/~maco.m">https://launchpad.net/~maco.m </a> Congratulations, Mackenzie! > > -- > Elizabeth Bevilacqua > <a href="http://www.princessleia.com">http://www.princessleia.com</a> > > -- > ubuntu-women mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women</a> > -- bapoumba ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:09:54 -0300 From: " Mariwal Jord?o " <<a href="mailto:mariwal@mariwal.net">mariwal@mariwal.net </a>> Subject: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4gilrs To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3c9ff4dd0709280509l2bee272dp64fd6522e7ecc6b4@mail.gmail.com"> 3c9ff4dd0709280509l2bee272dp64fd6522e7ecc6b4@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello First of all: sorry my poor english. Elizabeth Bevilacqua "So my first suggestion is not assume that all girls like "pink and flowers" - remove the "All things that girls want." sentence from the launchpad description. My second suggestion is to fix the spelling and grammatical errors, which I understand might require a fluent English speaker." - I will do all changes that you suggest, I already contact a great english speaker to made the changes. :) Sarah Hobbs "If you wish to market to young girls, you need to properly understand your audience." - Hi Sarah, In my contry I'm a "Personal Traineir in Computer Sceince". Basiclly, my students, are females. See one of my sites: <a href="http://www.forgirls.3njoy.com">http://www.forgirls.3njoy.com </a> Well, befere I start this project, I start a discussion in brasilian forum BR, see this topic: <a href="http://ubuntuforum-br.org/index.php?topic=25615.0">http://ubuntuforum-br.org/index.php?topic=25615.0</a> - All my female students said to me that Windows is uglly, so I show the Ubuntu, all customized for girls, and she like very much. Miriam Ruiz "While I agree with Lyz, if this is a serious project I'd be willing for help" - Yes this is a serios project. And thanks for your help. :) Sarah Hobbs "Oh, and Liz, it's girls. Not women, but girls." - Yes, girls, teens and young ladies --- For all: I'm sorry if my project upset/ofend you. I'm a Ubuntu fan, and my intention is just introduce "girls" in a wonderful world that Ubuntu have. It's more than a "pink" Ubuntu, is a new concept, recentlly I ready that in my country the girls are half of computers user. Ubuntu alread have all softwares, just click one button and was done. My students love this feature. Mariwal Jordao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/attachments/20070928/f2733cc5/attachment-0001.htm">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/attachments/20070928/f2733cc5/attachment-0001.htm </a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:56:46 -0400 From: "Danyelle Gragsone" <<a href="mailto:ladynikon@gmail.com">ladynikon@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4girls projetc To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:59f9c5160709280556i2e111d24t7304ec596022c700@mail.gmail.com">59f9c5160709280556i2e111d24t7304ec596022c700@mail.gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To assume that all girls like that stuff as well is bad. When I was a girl ( and still do) I hated pink. Yeah i liked strawberry shortcake but I preferred the smurfs. Maybe you should do a childrens ubuntu? A lot of kids are usually into bright colors and rather cartoony things. Not saying there aren't girls out there that aren't into it ( my goddaughter is 12 and loves the brats.) If you make it for "girls" what about the ones that aren't into girly stuff? or are you going to just go for girls who like that sort of stuff? Danyelle ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:31:15 +0200 From: "Miriam Ruiz" <<a href="mailto:little.miry@gmail.com">little.miry@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4girls projetc To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4671dd0c0709280631l30f3a41bkb6154895da260a98@mail.gmail.com">4671dd0c0709280631l30f3a41bkb6154895da260a98@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Quote found by Erinn Clark, from Debian Women: "That's sexism, that is. Going around giving people girly presents just because they're a girl." (Good Omens (by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman) Aside from that, if the purpose is to do a girly ubuntu, why not? These are the steps I would go through: 1) Decide the target group. 2) Decide the extent of the changes: Just a theme? Selection of packages? Create some packages? Develop specific software? 3) Check the target group for their preferences. Ask the girls what they would want, instead of imagining what we would want if we were them. 4) See what's already available. Maybe have a look to what other groups are doing and what we could reuse. 5) Implement what needs to be added, and also add it to the base distribution, Ubuntu and/or Debian if they can benefit from it too (like a theme, new packages or new software) Of course, one of the main points here is that there is a need of artists willing to develop the artwork, as that is gonna probably be the major difference with the base distribution. Miry ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:51:12 -0400 From: "Elizabeth Bevilacqua" <<a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com">lyz@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4girls projetc To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:13ae6a200709280651j7767ef8eibfd5d3729bde60c4@mail.gmail.com">13ae6a200709280651j7767ef8eibfd5d3729bde60c4@mail.gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9/28/07, Miriam Ruiz <<a href="mailto:little.miry@gmail.com">little.miry@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > Aside from that, if the purpose is to do a girly ubuntu, why not? My issue is calling it "girly" or "for girls" - as a girl I was never interested in pink or flowers, and felt like a total oddball in this world that wants to flood us with them. Why not call it Pink and Flowers Ubuntu? Or Pretty Ubuntu? Why does the name have to be gender focused? -- Elizabeth Bevilacqua <a href="http://www.princessleia.com">http://www.princessleia.com</a> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:59:57 +0200 From: "Miriam Ruiz" <<a href="mailto:little.miry@gmail.com">little.miry@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4girls projetc To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4671dd0c0709280659q35096394m9bd2d8a40db926a1@mail.gmail.com">4671dd0c0709280659q35096394m9bd2d8a40db926a1@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2007/9/28, Elizabeth Bevilacqua <<a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com">lyz@ubuntu.com</a>>: > Why not call it Pink and Flowers Ubuntu? Or Pretty Ubuntu? Why does > the name have to be gender focused? I agree to your suggestion, it'll be nice to be able to attract some boys to it too, and fight against the gender gap. I still don't know if the original plan was just to develop a theme ore there was some more in it. You don't need to create a whole distro for that, a new theme could be perfectly added to Ubuntu. I'm just waiting an answer to that. Miry ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:32:31 -0400 From: "Meg Kurdziolek" <<a href="mailto:meg.kurdziolek@gmail.com">meg.kurdziolek@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu4girls projetc To: Ubuntu-Women <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:b7314e3e0709280732h3a8ac02bl1811fb554d4328d2@mail.gmail.com">b7314e3e0709280732h3a8ac02bl1811fb554d4328d2@mail.gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I was a kid, I really liked computer games. Some of them were educational, all of them were fun. I think making a live CD for kids where fun themes (maybe popular cartoons?) and games are already installed would be good. Also, I don't know if it was just me, but I really liked drawing pictures and making my own graphics. (I still do!) I would put the pictures I made on invitations to a birthday party and just funny things I would make for my parents. Gimp is a bit much to ask a 6 year old to deal with, we could make sure they have simple drawing programs. Also, we could work on the navigation. We want to make the games and everything very easily accessible. Those are my ideas, but I agree with everyone else who said we should talk to some actual youngins. They could tell you their favorite cartoons, favorite colors, and favorite hobbies which would help in the creation of themes. ~Meg Kurdziolek On 9/28/07, Miriam Ruiz <<a href="mailto:little.miry@gmail.com">little.miry@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > 2007/9/28, Elizabeth Bevilacqua <<a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com"> lyz@ubuntu.com</a>>: > > Why not call it Pink and Flowers Ubuntu? Or Pretty Ubuntu? Why does > > the name have to be gender focused? > > I agree to your suggestion, it'll be nice to be able to attract some > boys to it too, and fight against the gender gap. I still don't know > if the original plan was just to develop a theme ore there was some > more in it. You don't need to create a whole distro for that, a new > theme could be perfectly added to Ubuntu. I'm just waiting an answer > to that. > > Miry > > -- > ubuntu-women mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women</a> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think making a live CD for kids where > fun themes (maybe popular cartoons?) and games are already installed would > be good. I don't think popular cartoons are really an option, as they're gonna be protected by trademarks. > Also, I don't know if it was just me, but I really liked drawing pictures > and making my own graphics. (I still do!) I would put the pictures I made on > invitations to a birthday party and just funny things I would make for my > parents. Gimp is a bit much to ask a 6 year old to deal with, we could make > sure they have simple drawing programs. > > Also, we could work on the navigation. We want to make the games and > everything very easily accessible. > > Those are my ideas, but I agree with everyone else who said we should talk > to some actual youngins. They could tell you their favorite cartoons, > favorite colors, and favorite hobbies which would help in the creation of > themes. I totally agree, that should be the first step, talking with the kids themselves. Miry ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-women mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women</a> End of ubuntu-women Digest, Vol 20, Issue 22 ******************************************** </blockquote></div> -- Judy Ann Okite, +254-721237507,+254-734252336 P.O. BOX 2228 00100, NAIROBI,KENYA. "Even if you are on the right track, you'll still get run over if you just sit there."