Hmmm, how can I make myself more clear. What attracted ME to a womens users group is the HOPE that I would be able to get clear and understandable answers to my technical questions. MY experiences asking questions in other Forums have not been productive. I never introduced myself as a women (I have only recently used an identifying email and signature). If you haven't encountered pissing contests then you are fortunate. However, I have. Please don't deny me MY opinions, I wont deny you yours. So.... I suggest if you want a community and you want to encourage women to use Linux that you don't deny feelings and opinions. PS, I never said I wont ask questions to boys. Try to find someone else to isolate, it wont work with me. <div>On 6/30/06, Robin Sonefors <<a href="mailto:ozamosi@flukkost.nu"> ozamosi@flukkost.nu</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I know I should shut up now, but I won't. Are you telling me you won't ask questions when boys are around, just because in some places, there are pissing contests? I'm sorry, but I feel you're missing the point completely... Let me start with this question: how many women/men are there in the forums you're refering to? What's the ratio of that? Also, how many are participating in these contests? You believe that the male gender as such is responsible for that, not the individuals? You believe that any place where male individuals is around, you can't ask questions, because you won't get any decent answer? If you only knew how wrong you are... I can tell you that the swedish ubuntu community (which I've got plenty of experiences from)- as far as I have seen so far (and I've seen most things) - do not engage in pissing contests. There's a good atmosphere, that many users have claimed is the only reason they're still running linux (there are people running arch, debian and other things in our IRC chat, because they simply like to be there). And I can promise that this is not the only good community around. I can agree that sometimes, there will be a pissing contest the first time you introduce yourself if you're a women, and everyone else is male. That will pass - I promise. (ask Princess Leia if you don't believe me - she wrote similar stuff today/yesterday) There's idiot's everywhere: deal with it. If most users are cool, make sure there's one more cool user (you). That'll make the forum/mail list/whatever a better place to be for others. fre 2006-06-30 klockan 08:23 -0700 skrev Jeannie: > What attracted me to this group was the hope that I would be able to > ask a technical question and get it answered clearly and > understandably. Many times in the other Linux groups the boys (not > all of them) are to busy answering to impress (The pissing contest > effect) . -- ubuntu-women mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-women@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women</a> </blockquote></div>