[UbuntuWomen] UW list and attachments.

Emma Jane Hogbin emmajane at xtrinsic.com
Mon Apr 5 04:35:46 UTC 2010

Hello all,

Quick note: I have not read the links provided and nor do I plan to. I 
do not want to receive attachments on mailing lists. Please upload files 
to a server and provide a link to the file where individual list 
subscribers may choose to download the file if they want to.

Vid: It seems from your email that you are currently the sole list 
administrator? There is no reason to put this burden of responsibility 
exclusively onto your shoulders. There is also good reason for you to 
mentor new individuals in this responsibility and to increase the number 
of women who can perform this task. I am +1 for more female 
administrators of this list.


On 05/04/10 00:12,  स्वक्ष  wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> I am being forced to bring up this issued to the mailing list after a
> very long conversation on IRC which I found very disturbing as it took
> on an accusatory tone despite me spending more than an hour on an
> early Monday morning clarifying why attachments should not be sent to
> mailing lists.
> Backgrounder and irc logs:
> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/04/%23ubuntu-women-project.html
> ((Discussion period : 21:33 UTC in the logs).
> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/05/%23ubuntu-women-project.html
> (Discussion period : 02:49 to 03:57 UTC in the logs).
> Yesterday night on IRC, I was pinged that Amber's mail was in
> moderation and my response to her was in approx. 5 hours and 20 min,
> given the timezones and real-life situations we all have. She had also
> mailed me off-list where I said the same thing (no large files, link
> them to the mails instead).
> In the above IRC discussion you will note that I have explained
> repeatedly that :  Attachments are frowned upon on mailing lists and
> never approved beyond a size limit so please upload it on the UW wiki
> (or any other server) and include a link in your emails to the list.
> This reasoning was then used to ask for admin privs on the list and I
> explained that if it was to approve attachments to the list then its
> moot --Sending large files to all list members is not a good idea and
> its annoying to people (for various reasons). I was told that that is
> not the case in some other lists.
> So here is my query to the list members : Do you want to receive
> attachments from the UW list? Please vote on this as its just a case
> of changing default MM behaviour. Its not a case of me controlling the
> list (which I was accused of repeatedly) because I refused to support
> approving attachments to the list and changing list admins on the
> basis of UW leader election cycles. This does not happen in any linux
> community, let alone on any ubuntu list that i know of. Correct me if
> i am wrong please.
> The accusation from "approve mails with attachments" to "didnt give
> elected UW leader list admin status" is a logical fallacy at best.
> Fwiw, the standard MM installation has Maximum length 40 kilobytes
> (KB) for each message and this is common to all Linux-projects, not UW
> alone. It has nothing whatsoever to do with UW leadership (as it was
> being made out). That is why I think its important to ask if the list
> members wish to receive attachments at all and based on the responses,
> MM will be changed (or not). My personal choice is -1, no attachments
> or large files to the list.
> Regarding the adding UW list admins, we have had calls on the list
> earlier and the last time around too there were enough logical
> fallacies used. Here are some archives for perusal:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/001976.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/001992.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002019.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002008.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002006.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002024.html
> ....are just some. The June2009 archives are here:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/thread.html
> Meeting Agenda:  I was told that it would be added to the agenda.
> Regarding the election of list admins, before that is added to the
> agenda, Please also explain how being a list admin ties up with
> encouraging and increasing women in Ubuntu? I am surprised that a
> non-issue (approving bulk attachments) to the list has become a "not
> supporting the UW leader issue".  Hopefully having a leader(s) for the
> team does not translate into such baseless accusations in future.
> Anyway, while on it can someone clarify if they are dissatisfied with
> the current admins and *why*.  Has the response time been slow (or not
> at all). Feel free to discuss it here.
> Finally, I must mention that, today, I was feeling attacked and that
> my words were being deliberately twisted in this IRC discussion and I
> am not sure why but feel free to read the logs and judge for
> yourselves. However, it sure left a bad taste and somewhere there
> seems to be a diversion from the UW goal -- increasing women
> contributors in Ubuntu.
> Thanks,
> vid || http://svaksha.com

Emma Jane Hogbin, B.Sc.
Founder, xtrinsic
phone: (519) 371-2665
web: www.xtrinsic.com

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