[UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu, women and artwork...

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On 5/5/07, Micah Cowan <micahcowan at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> What makes you think that this portrayal was by Ubuntu? My strong
> suspicion is that the people who created the artwork (at least, for the
> first link) were not Ubunteros.

... that is why its not raised on the ubuntu-art list


>  I'm fairly certain that
> you'll find such depictions to fall under the protected realm of parody,
> which is quite sufficient to prevent Canonical, trademark holders though
> they may be, from preventing it.

Does it mean that the current TM-policy document actually encourages
the negative portrayal of women under the protected realm of parody ?
- even if many voices (users and community volunteers) find it
disrespectful, tasteless and unnecessary ?
Now, that sounds disturbing...


> This is completely different, assuming that they portray these as
> officially sanctioned, and AFAIK could absolutely be actioned against,
> as it would fall well outside of parody and into trademark breach. If it
> were to happen with a small, private group, amongst themselves as a sort
> of joke, though, it would probably still qualify as parody.

....  TBH, now I am confused if you are pro- (or against) such images
using the Ubuntu logos prominently *or* whether you are suggesting
that such images are normal and women should get used to being
portrayed as "objects", hence not complain ?


> But until we
> actually have a known case of this happening that someone wants to
> object to, I don't see much point in debating the theory of whether or
> not it would be right/wrong/legal/illegal.

Responses like "why should we do anything unless someone complains",
"its freedom/parody/humor/...", simply reiterates the "be silent,
don't question us" misogynist attitude towards women.  Is it any
surprise that women still hesitate to speak up frankly or initiate
discussions on issues which concern them.

If I understand correctly this thread has many men and women
expressing their displeasure / objections ... what more does it take
to be heard ?  FWIW, the response of peers on another distro list was
a lot more positive and speaks volumes (to their credit).

Sadly UW has a long way to go ...

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