[UbuntuWomen] Some will never learn...

t u towsonu2003 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 27 16:18:01 UTC 2007

Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
> I'm just plain angry, main reason for my post, so dont advice, just support.
> I will certainly not keep my mouth shut and take action, contrary to some of 
> you I don't think this should simply be ignored, because it will continue and 
> this has to stop one day. I want to be able to do my work without such crap, 
> so ignoring it is not the solution.
> Greets, Myriam

Let me start by saying that, despite the title, people have to learn
this stuff. They will have to learn how to think about men and women as
equal beings.

Anyway, the Ubuntu community has clear codes of conduct. One of these is
"be respectful". Members of mailing lists (e.g.
ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com) are expected to know what respect is.

They need to understand that sexism isn't much different from racism,
heterosexism, or ethnocentrism. This is not about some people getting
along nicely with others... oppression is disrespectful, to say the least.

I always expected that this code of conduct would be enforced by admins
(thru warnings as well as bans) when it is necessary. I also expected
that Canonical (who owns -afaik- @lists.ubuntu.com) is responsible for
disciplining its own admins.

I think you mentioned that, let alone taking action against that member,
the ubuntu-uk admin was sneaky as well (the ubuntu-women archive don't
have the emails on this topic [why?], so I couldn't check). If you are
doing anything against this admin, please let us know so we can join you
in this as well.

This list is supposed to be a safe space for women where they can get
[social] support... I don't think support is about saying things like
"I'm sorry for you" but about joining together to take action.

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