[UbuntuWomen] ubuntu-women Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6

bapoumba at gmail.com bapoumba at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 21:16:36 UTC 2007


Hello :)

On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:14 +0000, K. Mandla wrote:
>         I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right
>         now the
>         meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is
>         sticky. Would 
>         there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums
>         that keeps
>         the date of the next meeting always updated?
> 
> I have unstickied elizabeth's original thread and stickied bapoumba's
> IRC schedule thread at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337651 ... 
> 
> If anything needs changed there, bapoumba or a moderator can edit the
> post, so it's possible that after each meeting she (or again, a staff
> member) can update it with new times or new information. We'll
> probably find a better way in the future, but for now that should do
> the trick. 
Okay, no problem. Either we can edit the post or post a new one (in the
same thread) with a link to previous meeting summary and next meeting
agenda  for example.

Thanks a lot K.Mandla :)

> 
> I've also added linuxchix.org to the "Resources for women using
> Ubuntu" thread here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305147 ... At present, that
> thread is locked to prevent the occasional vandal, but if there are
> suggestions for other links to add there, I or another mod can always
> add to it.
> 
> Cheers!
> K.Mandla
> 
> On 1/14/07, ubuntu-women-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>         Today's Topics:
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>            1. Re:  Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Elizabeth Bevilacqua)
>            2. Re:  Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Belinda A. Lopez)
>         
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>         ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>         
>         Message: 1
>         Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:19:08 -0500
>         From: Elizabeth Bevilacqua <lyz at princessleia.com>
>         Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
>         To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
>         Message-ID: <20070113151908.GE30140 at princessleia.com>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>         
>         On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 11:36:28AM +0100, bapoumba at gmail.com
>         wrote:
>         > I'm not sure I mentioned I advertised on Ubuntu-Women
>         meeting UWN#26. 
>         > Sorry for that :/
>         > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue26
>         >
>         > I just made an info on UWN#28 :
>         > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28
>         
>         Oh excellent! I'm actually subscribed to this Newsletter but
>         I've been
>         quite busy and haven't had time to read them lately...
>         
>         > and on ubuntuforums : 
>         > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2006452&postcount=10
>         
>         Thanks for replying to that thread.
>         
>         I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right
>         now the 
>         meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is
>         sticky. Would
>         there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums
>         that keeps
>         the date of the next meeting always updated?
>         
>         > LoCo team is a _great_ idea. 
>         
>         Thanks for the input, we didn't really come to a conclusion at
>         the
>         meeting, so any input on list is helpful.
>         
>         > I'm sorry I was at work (with a crappy web
>         > irc client as my university blocks all IM protocols,
>         including jabber 
>         > and IRC) during first meeting and sleeping during the second
>         one ;)
>         
>         We'd like to do the sessions 12 hours apart and we're going to
>         try to
>         move them around the clock to accommodate everyone. If you
>         have 
>         suggestions for a time frame you can meet in (by "you" I mean
>         everyone
>         on this list) please just let us know on IRC on on this
>         list :)
>         
>         > I have been a mod on french speaking ubuntu forum
>         (forum.ubuntu-fr.org)
>         > so I have moderation experience (not sure this is the same
>         kind of
>         > moderation required on IRC channels, forums can be rolling
>         all over the
>         > place ;) ) and I own with another person a small ubuntu
>         french speaking 
>         > jabber room (ubuntu at chat.jabberfr.org). I do not know much
>         about being
>         > an op on an irc channel, I'm sure I can learn. So if you are
>         looking for
>         > someone to be present during the evenings, european times
>         (I'm UTC+1) 
>         > and the week-ends, just let me know.
>         
>         I'll be writing a tutorial for how to be an op and run a
>         one-on-one
>         sessions with everyone who is interested in applying.
>         
>         It may be a few weeks, but I'll be posting to this list when
>         I'm ready 
>         to start this and anyone is welcome to sign up. But as this is
>         an
>         Ubuntu-Women thing I'd like this to be a learning exercise in
>         getting
>         more women to be ops in IRC, so if you're a guy you might want
>         to pass 
>         on this one :)
>         
>         > As I have already mentioned privately to Lyz/pleia2, I am
>         also involved
>         > in UWN (I have written a couple of articles, I am in the
>         french
>         > translating team https://launchpad.net/~lhu ) and I come
>         quite often to
>         > ubuntuforums. Would you be interested in me being a relay to
>         advertise
>         > ubuntu-women news to UWN and official forum ?
>         
>         I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'm in favor of
>         this. We 
>         really could use the publicity from a respected member of both
>         those
>         groups to spread the word :)
>         
>         Lyz
>         
>         --
>         Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
>         http://www.princessleia.com
>         
>         
>         
>         ------------------------------
>         
>         Message: 2
>         Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:43:03 -0600
>         From: "Belinda A. Lopez" <dinda at mac.com>
>         Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
>         To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
>         Message-ID: <95BC11F3-5AD6-47BB-898A-E437BA7783D1 at mac.com>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
>         format=flowed
>         
>         Great job on the notes!  My "minutes" always turn into
>         "hours"  so I
>         appreciate folks with the skill to take good meeting notes.
>         
>         Several things we want to keep discussing leading up to the
>         next IRC
>         meeting including ways to add new folks into the process for
>         leadership and other tasks.  I've temporarily stepped to help
>         get 
>         things moving forward but just don't have time for any
>         long-term
>         commitments.  Besides, I know there are lots of folks who have
>         better
>         leadership skills than I can offer right now.
>         
>         My two main take away actions that I hope to accomplish before
>         the 
>         next IRC meeting are:
>         1.) Contact and develop a path to work with the Artwork and
>         Desktop
>         Teams
>         2.) Begin a dialog about how to best develop our Ubuntu-Women
>         resources
>         
>         For item #2 we had some discussion/questions as to why the 
>         ubuntuwomen.org has a separate wiki than the ubuntu.com
>         wiki.  It
>         seems somewhat redundant.  Can someone help fill us in, how
>         this
>         developed?  and thoughts on whether we should try to merge the
>         info 
>         into the main ubuntu wiki?
>         
>         Along the same line, how many folks have editing rights to the
>         ubuntu-
>         women.org website?  Is there a process in place for adding
>         information or updating info? 
>         
>         Thanks to all who stopped by the channel.  It was great
>         meeting so
>         many interesting folks.
>         
>         regards,
>         
>         Dinda
>         (Belinda Lopez, Galveston, Texas)
>         
>         On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Elizabeth Bevilacqua wrote: 
>         
>         > I spent some time putting together notes from our meetings
>         yesterday.
>         > The following text is also posted on the wiki, where you can
>         also
>         > download a log of the entire day:
>         >
>         > http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20070111
>         >
>         > The next meeting will be held in two weeks, on January 25th
>         at
>         > 13:00 and
>         > 1:00 UTC.
>         >
>         > - Lyz/pleia2
>         >
>         > = Ubuntu-Women IRC Meeting January 11th-12th GMT 2007 = 
>         >
>         > This first meeting was a bit of a meet-and-greet with other
>         women
>         > using
>         > Ubuntu. We are excited to report several women new to the
>         channel
>         > dropped by!
>         >
>         > As such, much of the conversation was getting to know each
>         other and 
>         > discussing ways in which we use Ubuntu
>         >
>         > == Session 1: 15:00 UTC, January 11th ==
>         >
>         > This session was quite an international one! We had people
>         from:
>         > Philippines, Portugal, United States, France, Canada, India 
>         >
>         > Topics discussed:
>         >
>         >  * Using Ubuntu with [http://www.parallels.com/ Parallels]
>         >
>         >  * Why we chose Ubuntu:
>         >
>         >   * bapoumba commented saying "the philosophy, the
>         stability, no 
>         >   viruses"
>         >
>         >   * Nightrose explained that she chose kubuntu "because of
>         its
>         > community
>         >   and the idea behind it all"
>         >
>         >   * ambimom said "I chose ubuntu because I tried a couple of
>         other 
>         >   distros and nothing else booted on my laptop" (Seems like
>         all that
>         >   hard work on the installer paid off!)
>         >
>         >  * Sexism on UbuntuForums. As with many forums in the F/OSS
>         world,
>         > many 
>         >  of us have encountered sexism. Bapoumba mentioned that
>         moderators on
>         >  the forums look out for sexism and deal with it when it is
>         >  discovered.
>         >
>         >  * General excitement about connecting with other women
>         using Ubuntu 
>         >
>         > dinda (who spearheaded the organization of these meetings)
>         joined the
>         > discussion around 16:00 and began working to direct
>         conversation. She
>         > began with a quick statement detailing the point of this
>         meeting (and 
>         > others to come):
>         >
>         > '' "Basically we're trying to get this group a few projects
>         so we can
>         > start to help with the greater community" ''
>         >
>         >  * Loco Teams - Should Ubuntu-Women be considered a 
>         >  [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams Loco team]?
>         >
>         >   * Two types of Loco teams: Localized based on
>         country/city/area &
>         >   Project based teams - Obviously Ubuntu-Women would the one
>         of the 
>         >   latter
>         >
>         >   * Becoming a Loco team gives us access to certain
>         resources
>         >
>         >   * Since there is overlap between -women and other groups,
>         there is
>         >   fear of duplicate effort
>         > 
>         >   * Susana piped up to say she is involved with the Loco
>         team in her
>         >   area
>         >
>         >  * dinda explained that the Ubuntu-Women project currently
>         has
>         > "lots of
>         >  helpers and few chiefs - a good problem to have" she
>         outlined a major 
>         >  goal of the group right now is to get organized and start
>         tackling
>         >  small projects within the Ubuntu community
>         >
>         >  * [http://linuxchix.org/ LinuxChix.org] was mentioned as a
>         fantastic 
>         >  resource for women globally and locally - indeed, many of
>         the
>         >  organizers of Ubuntu-Women and early members are part of
>         LinuxChix
>         >
>         >  * cyberix brought up discussion at Debconf about the low 
>         > participation
>         >  rate of women in Debian/Ubuntu but had to unfortunately
>         report that
>         >  no conclusion as to how to solve it was arrived at. Many
>         people still
>         >  believe that it's because "women just aren't interested in
>         these 
>         >  things"
>         >
>         >  * After hitting himself for playing to stereotypes, cyberix
>         added: "I
>         >  feel Ubuntu is probably more atractive to women thatn many
>         other
>         >  operating systems" and that it's more attractive to him as
>         well, 
>         >  "Mainly because it concentrates on user experience and not
>         bits" - to
>         >  which ulinskie eventually replied "what I like most about
>         ubuntu is
>         >  the humanness itself that it promote" 
>         >
>         >  * meatballhat joined the conversation with a comment about
>         how
>         >  important the development of the group is to him as, in his
>         words
>         >  "most of my peers that I've converted to Ubuntu are women,
>         including 
>         >  my wife and sisters"
>         >
>         >
>         > == Session 2: 3:00 UTC, January 11th ==
>         >
>         > Many of the attendees at this meeting were from the United
>         State
>         > (Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Texas, Colorado) but also
>         included a 
>         > woman
>         > from the Philippines and another from Australia
>         >
>         >  * dinda and pleia2 discussed the IRC channel
>         >
>         >   * IRC channel was previously owned by a forum member who
>         is no
>         > longer 
>         >   involved with the project
>         >
>         >   * pleia2 tracked down owner and became contact for channel
>         due to
>         > her
>         >   willingness to take responsibility for it and extensive
>         experience
>         >   with IRC 
>         >
>         >   * Susana and LadyFrost became the two other Ops (mods) for
>         the
>         > channel
>         >   due to their involvement with the channel and the project
>         >
>         >   * Currently we have no "process" for adding new Ops to the
>         channel 
>         >
>         >   * We would like more help with moderating the channel, due
>         to "real
>         >   life" obligations the 3 ops cannot always be around to
>         handle
>         >   problems in channel
>         >
>         >   * pleia2 will be putting together a course to train
>         existing and 
>         >   potential channel ops
>         >
>         >  * We need to work toward more women taking leadership
>         positions in
>         > the
>         >  group becoming Ubuntu Members, pleia2 mentioned that she
>         >  [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pleia2 has an Ubuntu wiki page]
>         and is
>         >  considering applying within the next year as her experience
>         with the
>         >  project grows
>         >
>         >  * dinda's suggestion for getting the Ubuntu-Women project
>         moving 
>         >  forward more was choosing a small project and gathering
>         women in the
>         >  group together to work on it in a "safe" environment with
>         >  encouragement and help from each other
>         >
>         >  * dinda discussed her thoughts on making an Ubuntu-Women
>         HCI team 
>         >
>         >   * A quick rundown of HCI (Human Computer Interaction) was
>         discussed
>         >
>         >   * dinda explained that the art team currently needs people
>         testing
>         >   their themes
>         >
>         >   * dinda has worked on an 
>         >   [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Human_Computer_Interaction HCI
>         Page on the
>         >   Ubuntu Wiki]
>         >
>         >   * dinda said her reasons for moving Ubuntu-Women into
>         tackling this 
>         >   project was: "it really won't take alot of technical
>         skills and it's
>         >   an area that really need some dedicated help"
>         additionally, "we're
>         >   not necessarily looking for folks to have an HCI
>         background, just be 
>         >   willing to do some testing for us"
>         >
>         >   * It is thought we can develop this project now and do a
>         little work
>         >   on feisty and then have a more well-structured base for
>         tackling
>         >   this in future releases 
>         >
>         >   * It was decided we'd like to organize a core team to work
>         with the
>         >   Artwork and Desktop teams
>         >
>         >  * dinda suggested we should have some specs proposed for
>         the next
>         >  Conference 
>         >
>         >   * dinda quickly explained the specs process, and what they
>         are
>         >
>         >   * pleia2 offered up a link to current
>         >   [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs Ubuntu specs]
>         >
>         >   * dinda encouraged others to develop and submit specs
>         >
>         >  * The importance of developer summits was discussed, as
>         were
>         >  sponsorships to attend the summits - elkbuntu is a woman
>         who was in 
>         >  channel who benefited from a sponsorship because of her
>         Loco work!
>         >
>         >  * There was casual discussion about the important women
>         already
>         > working
>         >  within the Ubuntu project
>         >
>         >  * In order not to lose momentum, it was decided that the
>         first few 
>         >  meetings should be every two weeks, with meetings after
>         that going to
>         >  monthly
>         >
>         >  * Our next meeting will be January 25th at 13:00 and 1:00
>         UTC
>         >
>         >  * dinda mentioned that she's going to the pilot for the
>         Ubuntu Sys 
>         >  Admin course Jan. 28th
>         >
>         >  * mchua mentioned that she doesn't currently have a lot of
>         time, but
>         >  "if there are any low-key short-term tasks that pop up I'll
>         try to
>         >  jump on them" 
>         >
>         >   * dinda confirmed that she will be developing such a list:
>         "the hope
>         >   is to develop a type of "job jar" list so folks can go to
>         one
>         >   webpage, sign up for a task and get it done" 
>         >
>         >   * Nursegirl agreed it was a good idea "Particularly if
>         there's both
>         >   coding and non-coding job lists"
>         >
>         >   * dinda said "task one will be:  "Develop a web page that
>         has all 
>         >   these tasks listed"!"
>         >
>         >  * It was brought up that we might also want to have a
>         suggestion wiki
>         >  for things people need mentoring on, as dinda said "Like
>         'Mentor
>         >  Dinda on how to be an IRC Op/Moderator'" 
>         >
>         >  * The Ubuntu-Women.org website was discussed - we need to
>         contact the
>         >  admins to get edits made and things with the wiki done.
>         >
>         > --
>         > Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
>         > http://www.princessleia.com
>         >
>         > --
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>         > ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com
>         > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-women
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>         End of ubuntu-women Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6
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