[UbuntuWomen] ubuntu-women Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6
bapoumba at gmail.com
bapoumba at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 21:16:36 UTC 2007
Hello :)
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:14 +0000, K. Mandla wrote:
> I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right
> now the
> meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is
> sticky. Would
> there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums
> that keeps
> the date of the next meeting always updated?
>
> I have unstickied elizabeth's original thread and stickied bapoumba's
> IRC schedule thread at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337651 ...
>
> If anything needs changed there, bapoumba or a moderator can edit the
> post, so it's possible that after each meeting she (or again, a staff
> member) can update it with new times or new information. We'll
> probably find a better way in the future, but for now that should do
> the trick.
Okay, no problem. Either we can edit the post or post a new one (in the
same thread) with a link to previous meeting summary and next meeting
agenda for example.
Thanks a lot K.Mandla :)
>
> I've also added linuxchix.org to the "Resources for women using
> Ubuntu" thread here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305147 ... At present, that
> thread is locked to prevent the occasional vandal, but if there are
> suggestions for other links to add there, I or another mod can always
> add to it.
>
> Cheers!
> K.Mandla
>
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> 1. Re: Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Elizabeth Bevilacqua)
> 2. Re: Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Belinda A. Lopez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:19:08 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Bevilacqua <lyz at princessleia.com>
> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
> To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <20070113151908.GE30140 at princessleia.com>
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> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 11:36:28AM +0100, bapoumba at gmail.com
> wrote:
> > I'm not sure I mentioned I advertised on Ubuntu-Women
> meeting UWN#26.
> > Sorry for that :/
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue26
> >
> > I just made an info on UWN#28 :
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28
>
> Oh excellent! I'm actually subscribed to this Newsletter but
> I've been
> quite busy and haven't had time to read them lately...
>
> > and on ubuntuforums :
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2006452&postcount=10
>
> Thanks for replying to that thread.
>
> I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right
> now the
> meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is
> sticky. Would
> there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums
> that keeps
> the date of the next meeting always updated?
>
> > LoCo team is a _great_ idea.
>
> Thanks for the input, we didn't really come to a conclusion at
> the
> meeting, so any input on list is helpful.
>
> > I'm sorry I was at work (with a crappy web
> > irc client as my university blocks all IM protocols,
> including jabber
> > and IRC) during first meeting and sleeping during the second
> one ;)
>
> We'd like to do the sessions 12 hours apart and we're going to
> try to
> move them around the clock to accommodate everyone. If you
> have
> suggestions for a time frame you can meet in (by "you" I mean
> everyone
> on this list) please just let us know on IRC on on this
> list :)
>
> > I have been a mod on french speaking ubuntu forum
> (forum.ubuntu-fr.org)
> > so I have moderation experience (not sure this is the same
> kind of
> > moderation required on IRC channels, forums can be rolling
> all over the
> > place ;) ) and I own with another person a small ubuntu
> french speaking
> > jabber room (ubuntu at chat.jabberfr.org). I do not know much
> about being
> > an op on an irc channel, I'm sure I can learn. So if you are
> looking for
> > someone to be present during the evenings, european times
> (I'm UTC+1)
> > and the week-ends, just let me know.
>
> I'll be writing a tutorial for how to be an op and run a
> one-on-one
> sessions with everyone who is interested in applying.
>
> It may be a few weeks, but I'll be posting to this list when
> I'm ready
> to start this and anyone is welcome to sign up. But as this is
> an
> Ubuntu-Women thing I'd like this to be a learning exercise in
> getting
> more women to be ops in IRC, so if you're a guy you might want
> to pass
> on this one :)
>
> > As I have already mentioned privately to Lyz/pleia2, I am
> also involved
> > in UWN (I have written a couple of articles, I am in the
> french
> > translating team https://launchpad.net/~lhu ) and I come
> quite often to
> > ubuntuforums. Would you be interested in me being a relay to
> advertise
> > ubuntu-women news to UWN and official forum ?
>
> I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'm in favor of
> this. We
> really could use the publicity from a respected member of both
> those
> groups to spread the word :)
>
> Lyz
>
> --
> Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
> http://www.princessleia.com
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:43:03 -0600
> From: "Belinda A. Lopez" <dinda at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
> To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <95BC11F3-5AD6-47BB-898A-E437BA7783D1 at mac.com>
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>
> Great job on the notes! My "minutes" always turn into
> "hours" so I
> appreciate folks with the skill to take good meeting notes.
>
> Several things we want to keep discussing leading up to the
> next IRC
> meeting including ways to add new folks into the process for
> leadership and other tasks. I've temporarily stepped to help
> get
> things moving forward but just don't have time for any
> long-term
> commitments. Besides, I know there are lots of folks who have
> better
> leadership skills than I can offer right now.
>
> My two main take away actions that I hope to accomplish before
> the
> next IRC meeting are:
> 1.) Contact and develop a path to work with the Artwork and
> Desktop
> Teams
> 2.) Begin a dialog about how to best develop our Ubuntu-Women
> resources
>
> For item #2 we had some discussion/questions as to why the
> ubuntuwomen.org has a separate wiki than the ubuntu.com
> wiki. It
> seems somewhat redundant. Can someone help fill us in, how
> this
> developed? and thoughts on whether we should try to merge the
> info
> into the main ubuntu wiki?
>
> Along the same line, how many folks have editing rights to the
> ubuntu-
> women.org website? Is there a process in place for adding
> information or updating info?
>
> Thanks to all who stopped by the channel. It was great
> meeting so
> many interesting folks.
>
> regards,
>
> Dinda
> (Belinda Lopez, Galveston, Texas)
>
> On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Elizabeth Bevilacqua wrote:
>
> > I spent some time putting together notes from our meetings
> yesterday.
> > The following text is also posted on the wiki, where you can
> also
> > download a log of the entire day:
> >
> > http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20070111
> >
> > The next meeting will be held in two weeks, on January 25th
> at
> > 13:00 and
> > 1:00 UTC.
> >
> > - Lyz/pleia2
> >
> > = Ubuntu-Women IRC Meeting January 11th-12th GMT 2007 =
> >
> > This first meeting was a bit of a meet-and-greet with other
> women
> > using
> > Ubuntu. We are excited to report several women new to the
> channel
> > dropped by!
> >
> > As such, much of the conversation was getting to know each
> other and
> > discussing ways in which we use Ubuntu
> >
> > == Session 1: 15:00 UTC, January 11th ==
> >
> > This session was quite an international one! We had people
> from:
> > Philippines, Portugal, United States, France, Canada, India
> >
> > Topics discussed:
> >
> > * Using Ubuntu with [http://www.parallels.com/ Parallels]
> >
> > * Why we chose Ubuntu:
> >
> > * bapoumba commented saying "the philosophy, the
> stability, no
> > viruses"
> >
> > * Nightrose explained that she chose kubuntu "because of
> its
> > community
> > and the idea behind it all"
> >
> > * ambimom said "I chose ubuntu because I tried a couple of
> other
> > distros and nothing else booted on my laptop" (Seems like
> all that
> > hard work on the installer paid off!)
> >
> > * Sexism on UbuntuForums. As with many forums in the F/OSS
> world,
> > many
> > of us have encountered sexism. Bapoumba mentioned that
> moderators on
> > the forums look out for sexism and deal with it when it is
> > discovered.
> >
> > * General excitement about connecting with other women
> using Ubuntu
> >
> > dinda (who spearheaded the organization of these meetings)
> joined the
> > discussion around 16:00 and began working to direct
> conversation. She
> > began with a quick statement detailing the point of this
> meeting (and
> > others to come):
> >
> > '' "Basically we're trying to get this group a few projects
> so we can
> > start to help with the greater community" ''
> >
> > * Loco Teams - Should Ubuntu-Women be considered a
> > [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams Loco team]?
> >
> > * Two types of Loco teams: Localized based on
> country/city/area &
> > Project based teams - Obviously Ubuntu-Women would the one
> of the
> > latter
> >
> > * Becoming a Loco team gives us access to certain
> resources
> >
> > * Since there is overlap between -women and other groups,
> there is
> > fear of duplicate effort
> >
> > * Susana piped up to say she is involved with the Loco
> team in her
> > area
> >
> > * dinda explained that the Ubuntu-Women project currently
> has
> > "lots of
> > helpers and few chiefs - a good problem to have" she
> outlined a major
> > goal of the group right now is to get organized and start
> tackling
> > small projects within the Ubuntu community
> >
> > * [http://linuxchix.org/ LinuxChix.org] was mentioned as a
> fantastic
> > resource for women globally and locally - indeed, many of
> the
> > organizers of Ubuntu-Women and early members are part of
> LinuxChix
> >
> > * cyberix brought up discussion at Debconf about the low
> > participation
> > rate of women in Debian/Ubuntu but had to unfortunately
> report that
> > no conclusion as to how to solve it was arrived at. Many
> people still
> > believe that it's because "women just aren't interested in
> these
> > things"
> >
> > * After hitting himself for playing to stereotypes, cyberix
> added: "I
> > feel Ubuntu is probably more atractive to women thatn many
> other
> > operating systems" and that it's more attractive to him as
> well,
> > "Mainly because it concentrates on user experience and not
> bits" - to
> > which ulinskie eventually replied "what I like most about
> ubuntu is
> > the humanness itself that it promote"
> >
> > * meatballhat joined the conversation with a comment about
> how
> > important the development of the group is to him as, in his
> words
> > "most of my peers that I've converted to Ubuntu are women,
> including
> > my wife and sisters"
> >
> >
> > == Session 2: 3:00 UTC, January 11th ==
> >
> > Many of the attendees at this meeting were from the United
> State
> > (Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Texas, Colorado) but also
> included a
> > woman
> > from the Philippines and another from Australia
> >
> > * dinda and pleia2 discussed the IRC channel
> >
> > * IRC channel was previously owned by a forum member who
> is no
> > longer
> > involved with the project
> >
> > * pleia2 tracked down owner and became contact for channel
> due to
> > her
> > willingness to take responsibility for it and extensive
> experience
> > with IRC
> >
> > * Susana and LadyFrost became the two other Ops (mods) for
> the
> > channel
> > due to their involvement with the channel and the project
> >
> > * Currently we have no "process" for adding new Ops to the
> channel
> >
> > * We would like more help with moderating the channel, due
> to "real
> > life" obligations the 3 ops cannot always be around to
> handle
> > problems in channel
> >
> > * pleia2 will be putting together a course to train
> existing and
> > potential channel ops
> >
> > * We need to work toward more women taking leadership
> positions in
> > the
> > group becoming Ubuntu Members, pleia2 mentioned that she
> > [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pleia2 has an Ubuntu wiki page]
> and is
> > considering applying within the next year as her experience
> with the
> > project grows
> >
> > * dinda's suggestion for getting the Ubuntu-Women project
> moving
> > forward more was choosing a small project and gathering
> women in the
> > group together to work on it in a "safe" environment with
> > encouragement and help from each other
> >
> > * dinda discussed her thoughts on making an Ubuntu-Women
> HCI team
> >
> > * A quick rundown of HCI (Human Computer Interaction) was
> discussed
> >
> > * dinda explained that the art team currently needs people
> testing
> > their themes
> >
> > * dinda has worked on an
> > [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Human_Computer_Interaction HCI
> Page on the
> > Ubuntu Wiki]
> >
> > * dinda said her reasons for moving Ubuntu-Women into
> tackling this
> > project was: "it really won't take alot of technical
> skills and it's
> > an area that really need some dedicated help"
> additionally, "we're
> > not necessarily looking for folks to have an HCI
> background, just be
> > willing to do some testing for us"
> >
> > * It is thought we can develop this project now and do a
> little work
> > on feisty and then have a more well-structured base for
> tackling
> > this in future releases
> >
> > * It was decided we'd like to organize a core team to work
> with the
> > Artwork and Desktop teams
> >
> > * dinda suggested we should have some specs proposed for
> the next
> > Conference
> >
> > * dinda quickly explained the specs process, and what they
> are
> >
> > * pleia2 offered up a link to current
> > [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs Ubuntu specs]
> >
> > * dinda encouraged others to develop and submit specs
> >
> > * The importance of developer summits was discussed, as
> were
> > sponsorships to attend the summits - elkbuntu is a woman
> who was in
> > channel who benefited from a sponsorship because of her
> Loco work!
> >
> > * There was casual discussion about the important women
> already
> > working
> > within the Ubuntu project
> >
> > * In order not to lose momentum, it was decided that the
> first few
> > meetings should be every two weeks, with meetings after
> that going to
> > monthly
> >
> > * Our next meeting will be January 25th at 13:00 and 1:00
> UTC
> >
> > * dinda mentioned that she's going to the pilot for the
> Ubuntu Sys
> > Admin course Jan. 28th
> >
> > * mchua mentioned that she doesn't currently have a lot of
> time, but
> > "if there are any low-key short-term tasks that pop up I'll
> try to
> > jump on them"
> >
> > * dinda confirmed that she will be developing such a list:
> "the hope
> > is to develop a type of "job jar" list so folks can go to
> one
> > webpage, sign up for a task and get it done"
> >
> > * Nursegirl agreed it was a good idea "Particularly if
> there's both
> > coding and non-coding job lists"
> >
> > * dinda said "task one will be: "Develop a web page that
> has all
> > these tasks listed"!"
> >
> > * It was brought up that we might also want to have a
> suggestion wiki
> > for things people need mentoring on, as dinda said "Like
> 'Mentor
> > Dinda on how to be an IRC Op/Moderator'"
> >
> > * The Ubuntu-Women.org website was discussed - we need to
> contact the
> > admins to get edits made and things with the wiki done.
> >
> > --
> > Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
> > http://www.princessleia.com
> >
> > --
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> > ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com
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>
>
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