[UbuntuWomen] ubuntu-women Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6

K. Mandla k.mandla at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 16:14:41 UTC 2007


>
> I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right now the
> meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is sticky. Would
> there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums that keeps
> the date of the next meeting always updated?
>

I have unstickied elizabeth's original thread and stickied bapoumba's IRC
schedule thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337651 ...

If anything needs changed there, bapoumba or a moderator can edit the post,
so it's possible that after each meeting she (or again, a staff member) can
update it with new times or new information. We'll probably find a better
way in the future, but for now that should do the trick.

I've also added linuxchix.org to the "Resources for women using Ubuntu"
thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305147 ... At present,
that thread is locked to prevent the occasional vandal, but if there are
suggestions for other links to add there, I or another mod can always add to
it.

Cheers!
K.Mandla

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>    1. Re:  Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Elizabeth Bevilacqua)
>    2. Re:  Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12 (Belinda A. Lopez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:19:08 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Bevilacqua <lyz at princessleia.com>
> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
> To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <20070113151908.GE30140 at princessleia.com>
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> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 11:36:28AM +0100, bapoumba at gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm not sure I mentioned I advertised on Ubuntu-Women meeting UWN#26.
> > Sorry for that :/
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue26
> >
> > I just made an info on UWN#28 :
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28
>
> Oh excellent! I'm actually subscribed to this Newsletter but I've been
> quite busy and haven't had time to read them lately...
>
> > and on ubuntuforums :
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2006452&postcount=10
>
> Thanks for replying to that thread.
>
> I don't have a lot of experience with the forums, but right now the
> meeting annoucement I (elizabeth) made on the UW forums is sticky. Would
> there be a way for us the have a sticky place on the forums that keeps
> the date of the next meeting always updated?
>
> > LoCo team is a _great_ idea.
>
> Thanks for the input, we didn't really come to a conclusion at the
> meeting, so any input on list is helpful.
>
> > I'm sorry I was at work (with a crappy web
> > irc client as my university blocks all IM protocols, including jabber
> > and IRC) during first meeting and sleeping during the second one ;)
>
> We'd like to do the sessions 12 hours apart and we're going to try to
> move them around the clock to accommodate everyone. If you have
> suggestions for a time frame you can meet in (by "you" I mean everyone
> on this list) please just let us know on IRC on on this list :)
>
> > I have been a mod on french speaking ubuntu forum (forum.ubuntu-fr.org)
> > so I have moderation experience (not sure this is the same kind of
> > moderation required on IRC channels, forums can be rolling all over the
> > place ;) ) and I own with another person a small ubuntu french speaking
> > jabber room (ubuntu at chat.jabberfr.org). I do not know much about being
> > an op on an irc channel, I'm sure I can learn. So if you are looking for
> > someone to be present during the evenings, european times (I'm UTC+1)
> > and the week-ends, just let me know.
>
> I'll be writing a tutorial for how to be an op and run a one-on-one
> sessions with everyone who is interested in applying.
>
> It may be a few weeks, but I'll be posting to this list when I'm ready
> to start this and anyone is welcome to sign up. But as this is an
> Ubuntu-Women thing I'd like this to be a learning exercise in getting
> more women to be ops in IRC, so if you're a guy you might want to pass
> on this one :)
>
> > As I have already mentioned privately to Lyz/pleia2, I am also involved
> > in UWN (I have written a couple of articles, I am in the french
> > translating team https://launchpad.net/~lhu ) and I come quite often to
> > ubuntuforums. Would you be interested in me being a relay to advertise
> > ubuntu-women news to UWN and official forum ?
>
> I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I'm in favor of this. We
> really could use the publicity from a respected member of both those
> groups to spread the word :)
>
> Lyz
>
> --
> Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
> http://www.princessleia.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:43:03 -0600
> From: "Belinda A. Lopez" <dinda at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [UbuntuWomen] Meeting Notes for Jan 11/12
> To: Ubuntu-Women <ubuntu-women at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Great job on the notes!  My "minutes" always turn into "hours"  so I
> appreciate folks with the skill to take good meeting notes.
>
> Several things we want to keep discussing leading up to the next IRC
> meeting including ways to add new folks into the process for
> leadership and other tasks.  I've temporarily stepped to help get
> things moving forward but just don't have time for any long-term
> commitments.  Besides, I know there are lots of folks who have better
> leadership skills than I can offer right now.
>
> My two main take away actions that I hope to accomplish before the
> next IRC meeting are:
> 1.) Contact and develop a path to work with the Artwork and Desktop
> Teams
> 2.) Begin a dialog about how to best develop our Ubuntu-Women resources
>
> For item #2 we had some discussion/questions as to why the
> ubuntuwomen.org has a separate wiki than the ubuntu.com wiki.  It
> seems somewhat redundant.  Can someone help fill us in, how this
> developed?  and thoughts on whether we should try to merge the info
> into the main ubuntu wiki?
>
> Along the same line, how many folks have editing rights to the ubuntu-
> women.org website?  Is there a process in place for adding
> information or updating info?
>
> Thanks to all who stopped by the channel.  It was great meeting so
> many interesting folks.
>
> regards,
>
> Dinda
> (Belinda Lopez, Galveston, Texas)
>
> On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Elizabeth Bevilacqua wrote:
>
> > I spent some time putting together notes from our meetings yesterday.
> > The following text is also posted on the wiki, where you can also
> > download a log of the entire day:
> >
> > http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20070111
> >
> > The next meeting will be held in two weeks, on January 25th at
> > 13:00 and
> > 1:00 UTC.
> >
> > - Lyz/pleia2
> >
> > = Ubuntu-Women IRC Meeting January 11th-12th GMT 2007 =
> >
> > This first meeting was a bit of a meet-and-greet with other women
> > using
> > Ubuntu. We are excited to report several women new to the channel
> > dropped by!
> >
> > As such, much of the conversation was getting to know each other and
> > discussing ways in which we use Ubuntu
> >
> > == Session 1: 15:00 UTC, January 11th ==
> >
> > This session was quite an international one! We had people from:
> > Philippines, Portugal, United States, France, Canada, India
> >
> > Topics discussed:
> >
> >  * Using Ubuntu with [http://www.parallels.com/ Parallels]
> >
> >  * Why we chose Ubuntu:
> >
> >   * bapoumba commented saying "the philosophy, the stability, no
> >   viruses"
> >
> >   * Nightrose explained that she chose kubuntu "because of its
> > community
> >   and the idea behind it all"
> >
> >   * ambimom said "I chose ubuntu because I tried a couple of other
> >   distros and nothing else booted on my laptop" (Seems like all that
> >   hard work on the installer paid off!)
> >
> >  * Sexism on UbuntuForums. As with many forums in the F/OSS world,
> > many
> >  of us have encountered sexism. Bapoumba mentioned that moderators on
> >  the forums look out for sexism and deal with it when it is
> >  discovered.
> >
> >  * General excitement about connecting with other women using Ubuntu
> >
> > dinda (who spearheaded the organization of these meetings) joined the
> > discussion around 16:00 and began working to direct conversation. She
> > began with a quick statement detailing the point of this meeting (and
> > others to come):
> >
> > '' "Basically we're trying to get this group a few projects so we can
> > start to help with the greater community" ''
> >
> >  * Loco Teams - Should Ubuntu-Women be considered a
> >  [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams Loco team]?
> >
> >   * Two types of Loco teams: Localized based on country/city/area &
> >   Project based teams - Obviously Ubuntu-Women would the one of the
> >   latter
> >
> >   * Becoming a Loco team gives us access to certain resources
> >
> >   * Since there is overlap between -women and other groups, there is
> >   fear of duplicate effort
> >
> >   * Susana piped up to say she is involved with the Loco team in her
> >   area
> >
> >  * dinda explained that the Ubuntu-Women project currently has
> > "lots of
> >  helpers and few chiefs - a good problem to have" she outlined a major
> >  goal of the group right now is to get organized and start tackling
> >  small projects within the Ubuntu community
> >
> >  * [http://linuxchix.org/ LinuxChix.org] was mentioned as a fantastic
> >  resource for women globally and locally - indeed, many of the
> >  organizers of Ubuntu-Women and early members are part of LinuxChix
> >
> >  * cyberix brought up discussion at Debconf about the low
> > participation
> >  rate of women in Debian/Ubuntu but had to unfortunately report that
> >  no conclusion as to how to solve it was arrived at. Many people still
> >  believe that it's because "women just aren't interested in these
> >  things"
> >
> >  * After hitting himself for playing to stereotypes, cyberix added: "I
> >  feel Ubuntu is probably more atractive to women thatn many other
> >  operating systems" and that it's more attractive to him as well,
> >  "Mainly because it concentrates on user experience and not bits" - to
> >  which ulinskie eventually replied "what I like most about ubuntu is
> >  the humanness itself that it promote"
> >
> >  * meatballhat joined the conversation with a comment about how
> >  important the development of the group is to him as, in his words
> >  "most of my peers that I've converted to Ubuntu are women, including
> >  my wife and sisters"
> >
> >
> > == Session 2: 3:00 UTC, January 11th ==
> >
> > Many of the attendees at this meeting were from the United State
> > (Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Texas, Colorado) but also included a
> > woman
> > from the Philippines and another from Australia
> >
> >  * dinda and pleia2 discussed the IRC channel
> >
> >   * IRC channel was previously owned by a forum member who is no
> > longer
> >   involved with the project
> >
> >   * pleia2 tracked down owner and became contact for channel due to
> > her
> >   willingness to take responsibility for it and extensive experience
> >   with IRC
> >
> >   * Susana and LadyFrost became the two other Ops (mods) for the
> > channel
> >   due to their involvement with the channel and the project
> >
> >   * Currently we have no "process" for adding new Ops to the channel
> >
> >   * We would like more help with moderating the channel, due to "real
> >   life" obligations the 3 ops cannot always be around to handle
> >   problems in channel
> >
> >   * pleia2 will be putting together a course to train existing and
> >   potential channel ops
> >
> >  * We need to work toward more women taking leadership positions in
> > the
> >  group becoming Ubuntu Members, pleia2 mentioned that she
> >  [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pleia2 has an Ubuntu wiki page] and is
> >  considering applying within the next year as her experience with the
> >  project grows
> >
> >  * dinda's suggestion for getting the Ubuntu-Women project moving
> >  forward more was choosing a small project and gathering women in the
> >  group together to work on it in a "safe" environment with
> >  encouragement and help from each other
> >
> >  * dinda discussed her thoughts on making an Ubuntu-Women HCI team
> >
> >   * A quick rundown of HCI (Human Computer Interaction) was discussed
> >
> >   * dinda explained that the art team currently needs people testing
> >   their themes
> >
> >   * dinda has worked on an
> >   [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Human_Computer_Interaction HCI Page on the
> >   Ubuntu Wiki]
> >
> >   * dinda said her reasons for moving Ubuntu-Women into tackling this
> >   project was: "it really won't take alot of technical skills and it's
> >   an area that really need some dedicated help" additionally, "we're
> >   not necessarily looking for folks to have an HCI background, just be
> >   willing to do some testing for us"
> >
> >   * It is thought we can develop this project now and do a little work
> >   on feisty and then have a more well-structured base for tackling
> >   this in future releases
> >
> >   * It was decided we'd like to organize a core team to work with the
> >   Artwork and Desktop teams
> >
> >  * dinda suggested we should have some specs proposed for the next
> >  Conference
> >
> >   * dinda quickly explained the specs process, and what they are
> >
> >   * pleia2 offered up a link to current
> >   [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs Ubuntu specs]
> >
> >   * dinda encouraged others to develop and submit specs
> >
> >  * The importance of developer summits was discussed, as were
> >  sponsorships to attend the summits - elkbuntu is a woman who was in
> >  channel who benefited from a sponsorship because of her Loco work!
> >
> >  * There was casual discussion about the important women already
> > working
> >  within the Ubuntu project
> >
> >  * In order not to lose momentum, it was decided that the first few
> >  meetings should be every two weeks, with meetings after that going to
> >  monthly
> >
> >  * Our next meeting will be January 25th at 13:00 and 1:00 UTC
> >
> >  * dinda mentioned that she's going to the pilot for the Ubuntu Sys
> >  Admin course Jan. 28th
> >
> >  * mchua mentioned that she doesn't currently have a lot of time, but
> >  "if there are any low-key short-term tasks that pop up I'll try to
> >  jump on them"
> >
> >   * dinda confirmed that she will be developing such a list: "the hope
> >   is to develop a type of "job jar" list so folks can go to one
> >   webpage, sign up for a task and get it done"
> >
> >   * Nursegirl agreed it was a good idea "Particularly if there's both
> >   coding and non-coding job lists"
> >
> >   * dinda said "task one will be:  "Develop a web page that has all
> >   these tasks listed"!"
> >
> >  * It was brought up that we might also want to have a suggestion wiki
> >  for things people need mentoring on, as dinda said "Like 'Mentor
> >  Dinda on how to be an IRC Op/Moderator'"
> >
> >  * The Ubuntu-Women.org website was discussed - we need to contact the
> >  admins to get edits made and things with the wiki done.
> >
> > --
> > Elizabeth Bevilacqua // Lyz at PrincessLeia.com
> > http://www.princessleia.com
> >
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