[UbuntuWomen] UWN #51: "... and this even included some wives.."

Vid Ayer svaksha at gmail.com
Thu Aug 23 09:20:39 UTC 2007


On 8/20/07, Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Overwhelmingly hostile? I'm so glad I never get this in my other
> projects or I wouldn't bother. It's ironic that Ubuntu - the project
> with most women in its marketing materials is so hostile internally..

Is it coz the Ubuntu project is growing very rapidly and most people
dont really expect women to have already been involved here before
they discovered Linux so to speak. I am the only women in my country
who does not work in the IT industry or code for a living and yet have
been a volunteer in Ubuntu since it started.

> My experiences with lists have been negative. On launchpad-users both
> myself and Vid argued against the "use real names" policy as it means we
> have to out ourselves. They argued against us and claimed that we only
> get hassle if people are anonymous! Everyone who's ever hassled me has
> used their real name - and why not! There is no come-back, and you get

I agree with you.. That is exactly what I was saying all the time. I
even co-authored
the following

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductDisputeResolution
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductGuidelines

... but then that requires some strong will to implement in the face
of opposition from folks who think its ok to ignore women's opinions
and dont want them involved in decision making at any level.

> I'm copying this to Mark as he ought to know quite how bad it has
> become, if he hasn't picked it up.

Removed the CC as Mark was one of the first subscribers (still is) to
the UW list when we started last year.


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