<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 at 22:33, Liam Proven <<a href="mailto:lproven@gmail.com">lproven@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 at 01:13, Owen Thomas <<a href="mailto:owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com" target="_blank">owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Ooph... If that were true, then that's one more than there needs to be by my estimate, and that's bewildering.<br>
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No.<br>
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They are different tools for different jobs.<br>
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Snap is a cross-distro packaging tool.<br>
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Apt is for 1 specific distro.<br>
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I described what Snap is for a few weeks ago. The thread was titled<br>
"Snap and modern software (was: Remove /snap directory)"<br>
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Snaps run on anything with Snap support. Ubuntu maintains 1 snap of<br>
Firefox and it runs on about 4-5 different versions of Ubuntu: the<br>
same snap works all currently-supported LTS versions and on all live<br>
short-term versions too.<br>
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It can also, if you want, run on Fedora or Debian or openSUSE or whatever.<br>
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Over simplified:<br>
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[1] Apt is a tool for handling .DEB format packages. Ubuntu builds the<br>
.DEBs -- they are the bricks.<br>
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[2] Then it builds versions of Ubuntu from those bricks. A given .DEB<br>
only works on that specific version of Ubuntu. You can't install a<br>
22.10 .DEB on 22.04.<br>
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[3] There is now a newer level: Snaps. Snaps are built from .DEBs but<br>
one Snap can run on 18.04, and 20.04, and 22.04, and on 22.10.<br>
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[4] Snaps can also run on other different distros that don't use .DEB<br>
format at all.<br>
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As an aside:<br>
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[5] There is also a version of Ubuntu built entirely from Snaps:<br>
Ubuntu Core. It's for embedded devices, like digital signs. It only<br>
works with Snaps. This is why Snap has the edge over Red Hat's<br>
competing Flatpak format: you can't build a distro from Flatpaks: they<br>
only work for GUI desktop apps.<br>
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> Still: snap, rpm, deb, yum, etc... This is not encouragement.<br>
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You are conflating tools from different distros.<br>
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Yum has been replaced with DNF. DNF works with RPMs. Both are Red Hat tools.<br>
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Apt works with .DEB. Both are Debian/Ubuntu tools.<br>
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You can compare Apt to Dnf if you want, sure, but they are rival tech<br>
from rival companies.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Thanks, but I include myself among the people who just want to get their hardware to do the things they want it to do. Fiddling with software installation stuff is a distraction for us, and while all things Ubuntu seems to be your cup of tea, it isn't everyone's, and it isn't mine. That's the general and unwritten gist I tried to convey when I posted the original message.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>I do like Ubuntu because it is free. I don't like Ubuntu because I am sometimes pulled into the distracting minutiae of its functioning. I am conflicted you see; shed a tear for me perhaps.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> Once software is installed, one appears to have to recall the package manager that was used if one wants to uninstall it later. That thought induces nausea too.<br>
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No, because:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> ... yes ... because that's the way I happen to be...<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> And what type of beast is the Ubuntu Software Centre?<br>
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It's the answer to your previous question.<br>
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You don't use the CLI. You use this nice friendly software store. Then<br>
you don't need to remember.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed. I would rather use what little faculty of memory I appear to have for other things. Such is life.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> Why does searching through it regularly appear never to end?<br>
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Works for me.<br>
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> Can't something be done about this?<br>
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It's just you.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I want to leave it here, but there is opportunity that begs the question: Why would it just be me?<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> This is called a winge. Perhaps airing my winges will be a productive exercise for if I don't, then how do I know these winges have been aired?<br>
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Where I come from there is an "h" in "whinge".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I omit the h, because where I come from, h's can indeed be omitted.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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That's about all I have to say to that, though. Sorry.<br>
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> I value your ability to wade through the tedium so I don't have to. You have my blessing and are doing a good job; please continue.<br>
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Thanks!<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Have a great day.<br></div></div></div>