<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Calibri,"Segoe UI",Meiryo,"Microsoft YaHei UI","Microsoft JhengHei UI","Malgun Gothic","Khmer UI","Nirmala UI",Tunga,"Lao UI",Ebrima,sans-serif;font-size:14.66px"> <div class=" hide-outline">I’m not that new, I am an experienced Linux user, and do not want to be treated as if I am dust. I suppose the people who say stuff like that (saying that I am lying when I am not) are trying to make me the centre of attention. Now, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Ubuntu technical support, and this list is not for general discussion. I’m not a mod, but I am tired of seeing this type of stuff land in my inbox.</div> <div class=" hide-outline"> </div><div class=" hide-outline">The original question was: (as the subject suggests) GRUB does not install when Xubuntu installs. It probably installs, but there is most-likely a problem where GRUB is not seeing Xubuntu. This can be caused by a lot of reasons.</div> <div> </div><div>Sent from my <a href="http://windows.microsoft.com/consumer-preview">Windows 8 PC</a></div> <div> </div> <div style="border-top-color:rgb(229,229,229);border-top-width:2px;border-top-style:solid"> From: Liam Proven <<a href="mailto:lproven@gmail.com">lproven@gmail.com</a>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:52:15 PM To: <a href="mailto:bstanle@wowway.com">bstanle@wowway.com</a>,Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Grub not installing when Xubuntu installs </div> <div> </div>On 14 June 2012 16:53, Bill Stanley <<a href="mailto:bstanle@wowway.com">bstanle@wowway.com</a>> wrote: > > since I don't know his history on this mailing list, I do not know how > reliable his advice is. He's new, young and enthusiastic, but he has a habit of making claims that are not true - such as "I'm on the Unity development team", when actually, he's just a member of the mailing list. He has yet to learn a lot of stuff, including not volunteering information that one does not know to be correct. > Maybe the moderators can look up the history of his > replies. It is interesting to note all the ad-hominun references to me > being a newbie. I can assure you, I have been using Linux on and off since > 1998. If anybody out there (even Linus himself) says he knows all there is > about Linux, he is a liar. When I run into something that has never > happened before I ask for other opinions to see if there is something going > wrong. It does turn out that the default of sdb as the location for Grub is > just such an example. No, that's fair enough, and it was a reasonable question. If you will forgive me making the observation, your occasionally erratic spelling/capitalisation and so on (e.g. "ad hominun" for "ad hominem", or Grub for GRUB, or starting your reply with a small "s") could give someone the impression that you were rather young and inexperienced yourself, and it's tricky to strike a balance between clear simple advice for a young rookie - like "try such-and-such a recovery disk" - and straightforward high-level diagnostic steps for an expert - like "OK, boot off your live CD, but edit the kernel boot parms to leave the initrd but point to your installed system as the root FS". The latter would have worked fine and enabled you to boot your system and then reinstall GRUB by hand, but only if you already know what boot parameters are, how to edit them, what your root filesystem is and what the device number of it is and so on. I suspected from your posts that you would not have understood something like this. Partly, because if you knew how to do that, you probably wouldn't have asked in the first place. Was I wrong? If so, I apologise unreservedly. You might well respond, "well, why not just spell out these steps in ways that a non-expert would understand." That is understandable, but the thing is, doing that takes a lot of time and effort, irritates those who don't need it spelled out and is very confusing and difficult for those who /do/ need it spelled out. For them, there are shorter, easier ways, such as using a GRUB recovery CD. > Maybe the moderators should watch the replies for the quality of the reply. > Maybe a rating system to let the users know about the quality of another > users responses. That would be handy, but as this is a mailing list and not a web forum, it doesn't really support stuff like that. > There is such a thing as Internet trolls and inaccurate > replies from them can cause a lot of grief if you follow their advice. Absolutely. > Also, applying labels to another user is not good because this is supposed > to be a place to go to for advice and not to be called names or given bad > advice. You're right, that's true and I am as guilty as anyone of occasionally getting carried away and saying things I should not. > If you suspect there is a troll out there just "don't feed the trolls". > It's time for me to get off my soapbox now and just try to learn about Linux > in peace! -- Liam Proven • Profile: <a href="http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile" target="_blank">http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile</a> Email: <a href="mailto:lproven@cix.co.uk">lproven@cix.co.uk</a> • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: <a href="mailto:lproven@hotmail.com">lproven@hotmail.com</a> • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: <a>+44 20-8685-0498</a> • Cell: <a>+44 7939-087884</a> -- ubuntu-users mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </div></body></html>