Wow.... This is going to go on all day, isn't it?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Dave Woyciesjes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net">woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 03/14/2012 03:13 PM, Alexander Skwar wrote:<br>
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Hi.<br>
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:38, Dave Woyciesjes<<a href="mailto:woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">woyciesjes@<u></u>sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 03/14/2012 11:50 AM, Alexander Skwar wrote:<br>
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Am 14.03.2012 16:38 schrieb "Dave Woyciesjes"<<a href="mailto:woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">woyciesjes@<u></u>sbcglobal.net</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">woyciesjes@sbcglobal.<u></u>net</a>>>:<br>
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> On 03/14/2012 10:59 AM, Alexander Skwar (ML) wrote:<br>
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>> Am 14.03.2012 15:52, schrieb Robert P. J. Day:<br>
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>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, M.R. wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> However, I *will change* my usage of the subject line if told so by<br>
>>>> the list owner/moderator, or if another participant points me to<br>
>>>> where the list owner has a documented directive that the subject<br>
>>>> lines must not be changed inside a thread. (This would be the only<br>
>>>> list with such rule I'm aware of, but I guess that's what a list<br>
>>>> owner has the right to do).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> M.R.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> first, you need to get out more often as everyone else is correct<br>
>>> and you are wrong.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Actually, that's not a correct statement. At least Liam and Basil<br>
>> are on a wrong track.<br>
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> Really? Where& how?<div class="im"><br>
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You know perfectly well where.<br>
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No, I don't. That's why I'm asking.<br>
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Sure.<br>
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>>> second, and more critically, you seem to be taking an amazingly<br>
>>> obstinate position on something that would be trivially easy to<br>
>>> change. all people are asking you to do is use a new message to start<br>
>>> a new thread.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> But, if you have a look, he didn't start a new thread! The subject<br>
>> line is supposed to be a brief "overview" of what's in the mail.<br>
>> If the topic (or, maybe we might even call it "subject") changes,<br>
>> it's correct to change the subject contents.<br>
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> No, the correct method is: If you are wanting to reply to a<br>
> message in a thread, and your reply is taking the discussion to a new<br></div>
> direction necessitating a Subject line change; then the polite& proper<div class="im"><br>
> this to do is open a new message window, copy the body contents of what<br>
> you are replying to, paste in to the new message window. Then add your<br></div>
> reply& send.<div class="im"><br>
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No, that is not correct.<br>
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Correct procedure: Change the subject line, but do not produce a new<br>
mail. This way, the threading stays intact. After all, the changed mail<br>
used to have to do something with the previous mail.<br>
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The point of threading is to group messages that relate to a specific<br>
subject. Yes, the changed _used_ to have something to do with the original,<br>
but the key word/phrase there is 'used to'.<br>
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Yep, "used to" is the key. That's why it's correct to change the<br>
subject and that's why MUAs keep the threading intact, by not<br>
removing the headers used for threading (In-Reply-To and/or<br>
References).<br>
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So, then, pray tell, if a new message used to have something to do with a specific thread, but no longer does; Why would you want them to be connected?<div class="im"><br>
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Why would you want a message about KDE in your grouping of messages<br>
about Acrobat?<br>
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If it relates, then that's exactly the reason.<br>
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If it relates, then the Subject shouldn't (need) to be changed.<div class="im"><br>
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The way you suggested makes sure that threading brakes, which is bad.<br>
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Sounds like you have an uncommon definition of threading.<br>
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If *you* say so…<br>
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And just about everyone else here.<br>
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>> What confuses me - why this "hate"? He's not doing anything<br>
>> wrong! On the contrary, he's completely right!<br>
>><br>
>> Alexander<br>
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> Hate? I see no hate. Just people asking someone to follow the<br></div>
group's guidelines; and follow common& long standing list-serve<div class="im"><br>
etiquette.<br>
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Hate was the wrong word.<br>
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I didn't think that's the word you really wanted.<br>
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Correct. I really do blame it on the fact, that english<br>
isn't my mother tongue.<br>
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International communication over text-based medium is always 'fun'.<br>
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Point is: people complain, although Mr follows common& long standing<div class="im"><br>
list-serve etiquette. People even suggest to break this etiquette.<br>
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Hmmm, now this _is curious. You& MR say he is following the common<div class="im"><br>
etiquette; yet pretty much everyone else here says our method is following<br>
the common etiquette....<br>
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Indeed. This _is_ curious. Please also keep in mind, how<br>
the mail clients actually act. They do *not* remove the<br>
"threading headers". Especially for that reason.<br>
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Yes, I've known for a while now that mail clients don't remove threading info. That's the whole reason behind the idea of starting a new thread for a different topic.<br>
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Quite simple: if the subject of a sub-thread changes, then change the<br>
subject line. But do Not start a new thread!<br>
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So, you're saying that this whole mailing list, and any messages<br>
coming after this; should all be part of one thread?<br>
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If they relate to this thread - why, yes, of course!<br>
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He seems to follow this old rule. So please stop moaning.<br>
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If you want to bolster your side of this argument, please provide<br></div>
everyone with references to articles& such (hopefully they will have<div class="im"><br>
dates).<br>
The only way to win an argument like this is to provide irrefutable<br>
proof that you are correct.<br>
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Like you provided arguments… Up to now, you haven't provided<br>
any proof either. I can just refer to how mailing lists always used<br>
to behave, or, rather, what's the common way of dealing with this<br>
"issue" was. It contradicts to what you seem to assume to be the<br>
common way.<br>
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Yes, your are correct, I haven't provided any links about how this should be done. I will look for some.<br>
In the meantime, you have yet to do the same.<br>
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Is this what banging your head on a brick wall feels like?<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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