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It's hard to kill a dead horse.<br>
Johnny3 65++ I can still remember I forgot.<br>
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On 03/14/2012 04:05 PM, Kenny Martsolf wrote:
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type="cite">Wow.... This is going to go on all day, isn't it?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Dave
Woyciesjes <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="im">On 03/14/2012 03:13 PM, Alexander Skwar wrote:<br>
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Hi.<br>
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 17:38, Dave Woyciesjes<<a
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On 03/14/2012 11:50 AM, Alexander Skwar wrote:<br>
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Am 14.03.2012 16:38 schrieb "Dave Woyciesjes"<<a
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net"
target="_blank">woyciesjes@sbcglobal.net</a>>>:<br>
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> On 03/14/2012 10:59 AM, Alexander Skwar (ML)
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Am 14.03.2012 15:52, schrieb Robert P. J.
Day:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, M.R. wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> However, I *will change* my usage
of the subject line if told so by<br>
>>>> the list owner/moderator, or if
another participant points me to<br>
>>>> where the list owner has a
documented directive that the subject<br>
>>>> lines must not be changed inside a
thread. (This would be the only<br>
>>>> list with such rule I'm aware of,
but I guess that's what a list<br>
>>>> owner has the right to do).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> M.R.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> first, you need to get out more often
as everyone else is correct<br>
>>> and you are wrong.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Actually, that's not a correct statement.
At least Liam and Basil<br>
>> are on a wrong track.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Really? Where& how?
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You know perfectly well where.<br>
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No, I don't. That's why I'm asking.<br>
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Sure.<br>
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<div class="im"> >>> second, and more
critically, you seem to be taking an amazingly<br>
>>> obstinate position on something that
would be trivially easy to<br>
>>> change. all people are asking you to do
is use a new message to start<br>
>>> a new thread.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> But, if you have a look, he didn't start a
new thread! The subject<br>
>> line is supposed to be a brief "overview"
of what's in the mail.<br>
>> If the topic (or, maybe we might even call
it "subject") changes,<br>
>> it's correct to change the subject
contents.<br>
><br>
><br>
> No, the correct method is: If you are
wanting to reply to a<br>
> message in a thread, and your reply is taking
the discussion to a new<br>
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> direction necessitating a Subject line change;
then the polite& proper
<div class="im"><br>
> this to do is open a new message window, copy
the body contents of what<br>
> you are replying to, paste in to the new
message window. Then add your<br>
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> reply& send.
<div class="im"><br>
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No, that is not correct.<br>
<br>
Correct procedure: Change the subject line, but do not
produce a new<br>
mail. This way, the threading stays intact. After all,
the changed mail<br>
used to have to do something with the previous mail.<br>
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<div class="im">
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<br>
The point of threading is to group messages that
relate to a specific<br>
subject. Yes, the changed _used_ to have something to do
with the original,<br>
but the key word/phrase there is 'used to'.<br>
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Yep, "used to" is the key. That's why it's correct to
change the<br>
subject and that's why MUAs keep the threading intact, by
not<br>
removing the headers used for threading (In-Reply-To
and/or<br>
References).<br>
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So, then, pray tell, if a new message used to have
something to do with a specific thread, but no longer does;
Why would you want them to be connected?
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Why would you want a message about KDE in your grouping
of messages<br>
about Acrobat?<br>
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If it relates, then that's exactly the reason.<br>
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If it relates, then the Subject shouldn't (need) to be
changed.
<div class="im"><br>
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The way you suggested makes sure that threading
brakes, which is bad.<br>
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Sounds like you have an uncommon definition of
threading.<br>
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If *you* say so…<br>
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And just about everyone else here.<br>
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<div class="im"> >> What confuses me - why this
"hate"? He's not doing anything<br>
>> wrong! On the contrary, he's completely
right!<br>
>><br>
>> Alexander<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hate? I see no hate. Just people asking
someone to follow the<br>
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group's guidelines; and follow common& long
standing list-serve
<div class="im"><br>
etiquette.<br>
<br>
Hate was the wrong word.<br>
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<div class="im">
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I didn't think that's the word you really wanted.<br>
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<div class="im">
<br>
Correct. I really do blame it on the fact, that english<br>
isn't my mother tongue.<br>
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International communication over text-based medium is
always 'fun'.<br>
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Point is: people complain, although Mr follows
common& long standing
<div class="im"><br>
list-serve etiquette. People even suggest to break
this etiquette.<br>
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Hmmm, now this _is curious. You& MR say he is
following the common
<div class="im"><br>
etiquette; yet pretty much everyone else here says our
method is following<br>
the common etiquette....<br>
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<div class="im">
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Indeed. This _is_ curious. Please also keep in mind, how<br>
the mail clients actually act. They do *not* remove the<br>
"threading headers". Especially for that reason.<br>
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Yes, I've known for a while now that mail clients don't
remove threading info. That's the whole reason behind the idea
of starting a new thread for a different topic.<br>
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Quite simple: if the subject of a sub-thread changes,
then change the<br>
subject line. But do Not start a new thread!<br>
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So, you're saying that this whole mailing list,
and any messages<br>
coming after this; should all be part of one thread?<br>
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If they relate to this thread - why, yes, of course!<br>
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He seems to follow this old rule. So please stop
moaning.<br>
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If you want to bolster your side of this
argument, please provide<br>
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everyone with references to articles& such (hopefully
they will have
<div class="im"><br>
dates).<br>
The only way to win an argument like this is to
provide irrefutable<br>
proof that you are correct.<br>
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<div class="im">
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Like you provided arguments… Up to now, you haven't
provided<br>
any proof either. I can just refer to how mailing lists
always used<br>
to behave, or, rather, what's the common way of dealing
with this<br>
"issue" was. It contradicts to what you seem to assume to
be the<br>
common way.<br>
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Yes, your are correct, I haven't provided any links
about how this should be done. I will look for some.<br>
In the meantime, you have yet to do the same.<br>
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<br>
Is this what banging your head on a brick wall feels like?
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