<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.30.3"> </HEAD> <BODY> hi, Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 15:46 +0000 schrieb devicerandom: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> On 08/02/11 14:27, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 14:04 +0000 schrieb devicerandom: >> You haven't RTFM on RTFM yourself, did you? :) >> <A HREF="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#rtfm">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#rtfm</A> > what makes you assume that ? i usually read a thread before answering, > have often enough come across that document and i dont find an ESR > document particulary helpful as an excercise of the ubuntu code of > conduct ... nor do i find it any kind of appropriate for this ML It is a document that sums up what is a *general* code of conduct which is shared by tons of technical open source mailing lists/IRC channels/web forums and the like. </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> while that might be true for other MLs, <A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</A> is the one that counts on ubuntu lists, *not* some random ESR document. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> You are free to reject it, but by doing so you ignore essential fundaments of the hacker culture (which, by the way, allowed Ubuntu to be what it is) and you're out of place in the vast majority of such forums. Good luck with that. </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> i'm not talking about "such forums" i'm only talking about this mailing list. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Well, I'd say that teaching people how to fish is much, much better than giving them fish, so I'd say that *I am* the one helping out and giving proper support, not you. </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> how does your attitude help anyone how to fish ? *how* did you give any help *at all* ? the *single one person* that helped in this thread was "Chhatoi Pritam Baral" pointing to the proper configuration tool (kudos for that), all other posts are either discussing your habit or general security issues. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> > several people (one of the ML admins being among them) have told you it > is not appropriate, how about just accepting it ? How about understand why it could be appropriate and why it is felt appropriate by the vast majority of the open source/hacker culture? You are still free to disagree, but it's you that is walking backwards, not us. </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> again, i'm not talking about the vast majority of MLs or forums, i'm talking about *this list*, there is a reason why ubuntu differs from other lists and is praised for its userfriendly way of supporting people, did you think about that ? one thing that might help you is to try to imagine the person behind that mail you help is your mother (or grandmother) who sits in front of you in real life on the other side of the table, then think about if you would shout RTFM in her face ... ciao oli </BODY> </HTML>