I've installed Karmic 64 on 2 machines, so far no great surprises. After a week of using it I need to rip an audio CD and discover that my old, long-time favourite application - Grip, is no longer available for Karmic. I've been using it for many years, since I've been using Linux, never a problem, does what I want, labels exactly as desired, no real bells and whistles, just a straightforward application that does what it is supposed to. Any ideas where to turn next? I tried to compile from source, keep getting funny configure errors and have given up, life's too short. Is there another ripping app that is the equivalent of Grip and is supported in Karmic? I installed Sound Juicer, it keeps crapping out as soon as start ripping.... Thanks ED -- R.U. Sirius: I used to take a lot of acid. Now I'm older, I take a lot of antacid.