<div dir="ltr">I had posted to try to bring the problem I have had to light. Every response has discounted my experience. I can see some light here, as per the discussion of BIOS preferences. Can you explain this to me, why I have not had the same problem with Gentoo? I seriously do not wish to light up flames between Gentoo and Ubuntu, but rather to open up once again to explain as best I could what had happened to me. I have never had this problem before. I hope I never do again, and I don't guess I have been really nice about it, but every answer I have gotten on this list has sidestepped that I really did have the problem and attempted to explain it away. Sure, I have mixed PATA and SATA, why not? I have both. I didn't through the old PATA's away. Only with Hardy did I ever see an adjustment of the device names. Here are some stats to shed light, at least, on the statements about it not being possible to avoid /dev/sdX being substituted for /dev/hdY: luminosity alan # uname -a Linux luminosity 2.6.26-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Jul 27 12:12:48 [... ] # df luminosity alan # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 69298420 27887260 37890920 43% / /dev/root 69298420 27887260 37890920 43% / udev 10240 164 10076 2% /dev none 1029348 0 1029348 0% /dev/shm rc-svcdir 1024 68 956 7% /lib64/rc/init.d /dev/sdc1 101086 48750 47117 51% /boot /dev/sda6 62144164 54414904 4572492 93% /home/moseley /dev/sdb4 229672204 93745384 124351988 43% /home/alan/ARCHIVE /dev/hda6 20176612 13747140 5404528 72% /media/disk /dev/sda2 76896348 64544888 8445256 89% /media/disk-1 /dev/hda7 21859252 11233488 9524112 55% /media/disk-2 /dev/sda1 43643548 27245660 14180920 66% /media/disk-3 /dev/sdb3 101272600 192252 95976500 1% /media/disk-4 /dev/sdb1 51361528 184272 48588788 1% /media/disk-5 /dev/hda1 451623 148442 279086 35% /media/disk-6 /dev/sda5 57677500 54639628 108020 100% /media/video3 This is not to say that I understand all of this. But something's happening here. I don't have the same information available from Ubuntu Hardy Heron at present. These would all be /dev/sdX. I'm not going to win this battle, but be upbraded and derided and demonstrated again and again to be wrong. Maybe I am. Alan <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:06 AM, Derek Broughton <<a href="mailto:news@pointerstop.ca">news@pointerstop.ca</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">Rashkae wrote: > Alan E. Davis wrote: > > >> >> Assignation of blame is a minor issue. I am concerned that (contrary to >> your opinion) Ubuntu has slipped a fast one. There is no UUID in gentoo >> /etc/fstab at this point, so in what way was that *mandated by kernel >> changes?* >> > > UUID is not mandated by kernel, but change for /dev/hd? to /dev/sd? is. </div>Precisely. UUID was a very smart way to deal with the issue. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > You will learn the mistake of your assumptions in time. I know you > don't believe me, and I won't convince you, but the change was made by > people who know much more for a *very* good reason. UUID is the only > way to stop the system from not working when hardware is changed, or > kernel changes device assignment, or or or.... Otherwise, we're back to > the days of instructing people with broken system to boot from rescue cd > and edit fstab... yeah, that's so much less hassle for average users. </div>There _is_ a post from someone here saying he's having issues with plugging new USB devices changing the location of _existing_ mounts, and if so, that _is_ a serious bug, but nothing reported here is a bug. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > This is a direct result of mixed SATA/PATA, assuming your CD-rom is IDE. > When you boot from the CD-rom, the BIOS gives ide precedence, and your > IDE hard drive is considered drive 0. Then when you switch to booting > on SATA, the BIOS gives SATA precedence, and identifies the SATA drive > as drive 0, and of course, re-numbers everything else. I'd be surprised > if any distro can install from an IDE device to a SATA device, with > other IDE hard drives, and not need a little post-install tweaking. </div>Thanks for making it more clear than I could. <div class="Ih2E3d"> >> I've not seen this elsewhere. If it's not a bug, what is it? > > PEBKAC </div>LOL :-) -- derek <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> -- ubuntu-users mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Alan Davis "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man </div>