<html> <head> <style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> I tried to get my wireless network to work, but it didn't you should just go with a Local Area Connection > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:31:51 -0500 > From: pauljohn32@gmail.com > To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Wireless network problem after upgrade to 8.04 > > This is leading back to some basic questions about Upstart and service > management. See below. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote: > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> > >> wrote: > >>> Ken McLennan wrote: > >>> > >>>> G'day there Paul, > >>> ... > >>>>> So in the terminal again, make sure the network-manager is running > >>>>> > >>>>> # /etc/init.d/network-manager restart > >>>>> > >>>> I don't have a 'network-manager' there, only a 'networking' entry. > >>>> Is that the same? > >>> > >>> Ahem. Paul, network-manager doesn't start out of init.d, it starts from > >>> dbus: "sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart" > >>> > >> > >> Au contraire, mon brother! :) > >> > >> At least for me, there is there is a script in /etc/init.d > > > > OK, then, "the network-manager package no longer installs anything > > in /etc/init.d". :-) If you have "dlocate" installed, it would be > > informative to run "dlocate /etc/init.d/network-manager" to see just where > > yours came from. Anyway, Ken probably doesn't have it, as it moved into > > dbus a release or two back. > > Well, recall I'm upstream from you with the NetworkManager 0.7svn ( > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059 ) , and that's where > it comes from. Look at the last page worth of output from dpkg -L > network-manager: > > /etc > /etc/NetworkManager > /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections > /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d > /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown > /etc/init.d > /etc/init.d/network-manager > /etc/nm-system-settings.conf > /etc/dbus-1 > /etc/dbus-1/system.d > /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf > /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-dhcp-client.conf > /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-dispatcher.conf > /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-system-settings.conf > /usr/share/doc/network-manager/TODO > /usr/share/doc/network-manager/AUTHORS > /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README > /usr/share/doc/network-manager/changelog.Debian.gz > /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher > /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager > > > The two daemon files, /etc/init.d/network-manager and > /etc/dbus-1/even.d/25NetworkManager are almost identical, except for > top matter. So I think it is just a packaging difference / mistake. > Here's a puzzler, though. /etc/sbus-1/event.d/25NetowrkManager has > this comment at the top: > > > NetworkManager NetworkManager daemon > # Daemon for automatically switching network > # connections to the best available connection. > # This file should be placed in /etc/init.d. > > Why put that precious thing under /etc/dbus-1/events.d, not > /etc/init.d ? Upstart magic? > > > > >>>> If it's any use, this is the result of stopping & starting the > >>>> init.d/networking command: > >>> ... > >>>> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 > >>>> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 > >>>> Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:19:d2:75:cf:ff > >>>> Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:19:d2:75:cf:ff > >>>> Sending on Socket/fallback > >>>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > >>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. > >>> > >>> That looks rather serious. > > Well, I definitely see the SET failed on device wlan0 message. I've > seen that for months. > > I don't see the wmaster0 errors now, however. > > But, the "networking" daemon probably has nothing to do with wireless > control. At least on Fedora, one wanted the generic old network > daemon turned off where possible to stop the interference it causes > with NetworkManager. The problem was that the upgrade from F7 to F8 > did not turn off network service before turning on NetworkManager. In > reading Ubuntu /etc/init.d/networking, it appears to me that this > service should not be activated at start time, because it will > frustrate NetworkManager. But I'm still new here :< > > I've been doing a little reading and I see that Ubuntu created > "Upstart" as a replacement for sysvinit. Fedora's going that way, so > it must be good... My Ubuntu system starts in runlevel 2, and the > start scripts are in in /etc/rc2.d, a list of symbolic links. > Observe: > > .$ ls -la /etc/rc2.d/ | grep net > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2008-05-27 14:52 S26network-manager -> > ../init.d/network-manager > > Note, there is no link to "networking". Of course, my NetworkManager > package is different from yours. > > The only runlevel that does seem to activate networking is the sudo runlevel: > > /etc/rcS.d/S40networking > > Maybe it gets called implicitly by some other service, I don't know. > > > Anyway, lets suppose we install the kernel module backports and the > connection still fails. Lets try to find out why. > > In the forum thread on how to run NetworkManager 0.7, there's a > comment about bug shooting. Apparently, you can run NetworkManager > and see its errors like so: > > $ sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon > > Even without updating NetworkManger, I'd try this. I'd install the > kernel module backports. (I'm sure that is needed to get connections > with some routers). Then restart, then try to see if the card is > working at all with > > $ /sbin/iwlist scan > > Then I'd try to manually turn off networking and NetworkManager, then > I'd do the manual restart > > $ sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon > > and > > $ nm-applet > > and in another terminal I'd be running > > $ dmesg > > over and over and maybe in another I'd run > > $ tail -f /var/log/messages > > because sometimes the 2 sets of messages diverge. > > Oh, well. > > I'm looking really hard for information on Ubuntu and Upstart, in particular > > "how do I know which services are currently running?" > "where do you keep a list of all available services?" > "why don't all available services show up under the menu System/Admin/services" > "is it true that service 'networking' should not be running if we are > counting on NetworkManager?" > "Why did Hardy Herron put the NetworkManager script in > /etc/dbus-1/event.d, rather than /etc/init.d?" > pj > > -- > Paul E. 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