Mate you should get out more...... <div>On 14/12/05, Eric Dunbar <<a href="mailto:eric.dunbar@gmail.com">eric.dunbar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Great. Yet another POSITIVE comment coming out of the Linux "community" (whatever that may be... open source/Linux fandamentalism is harmful IMNSHO). >From Google Talk: "5. What protocols are used for voice calls? Google Talk supports a custom XMPP-based signaling protocol and peer-to-peer communication mechanism. We will fully document this protocol. In the near future, we plan to support SIP signaling. 6. Which voice codecs do you support? Today, Google Talk supports the following standard voice codecs: PCMA, PCMU, G.723, iLBC. We are also evaluating the Speex codec. We also support codecs from Global IP Sound: ISAC, IPCMWB, EG711U, EG711A" "3. Do you plan to support the Google Talk client on other platforms? We look forward to the Google Talk client supporting Linux and Mac OSX in the future." Take deep breath. Step on soap box. I am tired of hearing people whinge about open source and/or Linux and how companies/individuals should jump to support their favourite distro without providing the company with incentive or reason to do so. Just because is not good enough! To set the record straight re: Google Talk, Linux and the obligations of Linux users re: others. A. Linux is provided with only one string attached! Changes/improvements to the software covered by the licence(s) must be made available to others. NOTHING MORE! No other legal or moral obligation gets placed on the user regarding their own software/other software. NONE!!! ABSOLUTELY NONE If we reason that merely because a company ( e.g. Google) _uses_ Linux they are obligated to write software for Linux (for free ($$$) presumbly), then we can also reason that every single individual USER of Linux who uses Linux in their professional lives (or personal lives), then they owe the wider "Linux community" their services FOR FREE! B. Dealing with FACTS. (General comment... see two paragraphs below) Resources are FINITE. Linux on the desktop is a TINY market (vs. Windows) with little potential to SELL software. Most Linuxers expect FREE ($$$) software, and, some purists demand free (code) software (the two groups are NOT necessarily the same). Neither of these attitudes are conducive to the SALE of software (reminder: see 2 para below before commenting) >>From a practical point of view it makes little sense to devote resources to making an app for a group of platforms which comprise a tiny portion of the paying market. Mac OS X is a better choice because it's one platform, has a respectable number of users (vs. desktop Linux... to paraphrase the US comment on the EU governance model... "who do we consult when we want to code for `Linux'?"), and, is a great spring-board for going to Linux given that Mac OS X is a full blown *nix (that doesn't change every five minutes or has a wide range of configuration issues). PS Granted, Google doesn't make its money off selling user-level software (except for Google Earth so far), but, that still doesn't mean they should run out and write software IMMEDIATELY (when they state they will do so eventually) which is going to divert scarce resources from other worthwhile projects (and, arguably Google is doing AMAZING things with their scarce resources... Google Maps really is giving the others a run for their money... I haven't use MapQuest for aeons and Yahoo Maps is only pulled up in rare occasions). B. Part two: See the quotes above. According to their OWN statements, Google IS planning on Mac OS X and Linux versions! And, Google WILL release the information needed for 3rd parties to do voice chat with Google Talk (and, someone else on this list posted that one of the authors of GAIM has established ties with Google Talk). Take deep breath. End of soap box rant! Eric. On 12/13/05, Serg Belokamen <<a href="mailto:serg.belokamen@gmail.com">serg.belokamen@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > Its rather ironic isn't it. Google, company essentialy built on Linux > technologies does not provide Linux clients to users. A very nice > thank you in did. Do no evil my ass. > > Serg > > On 14/12/05, Giorgos <<a href="mailto:pinkisntwell@gmail.com"> pinkisntwell@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat > > feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect > > to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official > > client to use the voice chat. > > > > This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives > > me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.) > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users"> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> > -- ubuntu-users mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com </a> <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </blockquote></div>