<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:24 AM, Steve Torrefranca wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">How'd you go about loading E17 onto Ubuntu??<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Is there an apt-get</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">method or did you download and install all of the sources in the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">appropriate order??</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Mike</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">there is a link in ubuntu<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105&page=1&pp=10">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105&page=1&pp=10</A> which will</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">tell you how to install E17 with no hitch.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">after you have followed the instructions you just download the more</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stuff you need from</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.get-e.org/Main/Home/index.html">http://www.get-e.org/Main/Home/index.html</A> to further improve experience.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">now E17 only has few eaps that you can use in the menu and IBar so you</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">need to get it from get-e.org. the crystalclear eap has most of the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stuff you need.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>the gant theme for evidence is also brilliant!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">after tha your desktop will look something like this:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/stevetorrefranca/images/snapshot5.jpg">http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/stevetorrefranca/images/snapshot5.jpg</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">you can browse thru snapshot1 - 5 if you want.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">my ubuntu E17 rocks that even Mac OSX would look like Win 3.0 beside it</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV>I am just looking at the snapshots (not yours -- the ones on the E17 home page), and I LOVE what I see.</DIV><DIV>I think that this kind of window manager is EXACTLY what Ubuntu needs. It looks awesome, has great functionality, and a lot of potential for improvement.</DIV><DIV>I only have a few questions/suggestions:</DIV><DIV> • Is it possible to try to assimilate E17 into Gnome/KDE? The interface is awesome. I am not quite familiar with the underlying parts, so I don't really know about this.</DIV><DIV> • Would it be possible to run E17 without losing any of the advantages that come with using a de-facto standard like Gnome or KDE? I know that there are issiues with libraries, but I don't understand them.</DIV><DIV> • Could this be added to Ubuntu? I know this would probably be a huge undertaking, but I think it would be important. Pretty and easy GUis are a big turn-on for 98% of the world (noobs), and I think that E17 is great in this aspect. Apple has gained a lot of ground with its interface in OSX, and E17 could do the same for the Linux/Debian/Ubuntu community.</DIV><DIV> • Are there copyright/patent issues with using an interface so similar to that of OSX?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am just hoping...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>~Matt</DIV></BODY></HTML>