<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/1/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">michael</b> <<a href="mailto:installer@dslextreme.com">installer@dslextreme.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Todd Deshane wrote:<br>><br>><br>> On 6/30/05, *michael* <<a href="mailto:installer@dslextreme.com">installer@dslextreme.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:installer@dslextreme.com">installer@dslextreme.com
</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> > > anybody who goes through so much trouble will probably be better of<br>> > > with a live distro<br>><br>> > looks like a livecd installer is the goal.
<br>> > <a href="http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller">http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller</a><br>><br>> If I want to show someone what linux is, a LiveCD is the right tool to<br>> use, and a LiveCD installer would be even better. However, many Windows
<br>> users do not even know how to burn a CD. They know how to download and<br>> install programs like AIM or WinZip, but they have no idea what to do<br>> with an ISO image. A program that would allow inexperienced users to
<br>> install linux as easily as AIM or WinZip would open up linux to many<br>> more people.<br>><br>> > For breezy they are working on an OEM installer to<br>> > "Provide an installation method which is suitable for OEMs."
<br>> > <a href="http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller">http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller</a><br>> <<a href="http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller">http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller</a>
><br>> > That could be used for the first boot part.<br>><br>> Good thought.<br>><br>> > I think once you can do the process manually successfully and<br>> > reliable, someone could then help with the programming details.
<br>> > And with the breezy pieces you could use out of the box peices<br>> > it looks like. I have no experience with WINGRUB or GRUB4DOS,<br>> > but if you can provide a howto on the process you want tested
<br>> > i could probably test in the windows lab at school.<br>><br>> I actually have done this process manually. I've just created a wiki<br>> page at <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUbuntuWithoutRemoveableMedia">
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUbuntuWithoutRemoveableMedia</a> to<br>> describe the procedure. Let me know how it goes for you.<br>><br>><br>> It worked pretty well. I think it has a lot of potential, especially
<br>> when the ubuntu installer is a little easier to use, does<br>> partitioning/resizing<br>> for you and graphical would be a plus.<br>><br>> A few comments/corrections for you:<br>> By default windows doesn't know what to do with
tar.gz file<br>> so I had to download 7-zip (probably not a big issue, especially<br>> if the first part was done by an installer)<br>><br>> the menu.lst file goes in c:\boot\grub (you can update the wiki)<br>
><br>> The is a problem with how the menu.lst file shows up on the<br>> wiki, it looks like it is all on one line and there is a file:////{{{<br>> in there that might be confusing if you don't know how to setup
<br>> grub.<br>><br>> And the rest of my issues are with the installer itself, which<br>> hopefully will be taken care of with breezy.<br>> (for example my country, the us, wasn't in the list of mirrors)<br>
><br>> I think this has a lot of potential and should be done as a<br>> simple windows installer as you mentioned, (including the<br>> post install)<br>><br>> Also, if we could leverage the customizable installer
<br>> to let the user decide how to do partitioning, how much<br>> space to use etc. (give defaults of letting the ubuntu installer<br>> do the work, but if they have a partition set aside or are more<br>> comfortably doing things their way let them)
<br>><br>> I would like to see this roll out with breezy as an alternate<br>> way to install, i can see your point that people don't know<br>> what to do with a live or install cd, but if they think they are<br>
> installing ubuntu like an application, they might feel more<br>> comfortable, (windows users are more used to the overhead<br>> of rebooting a lot post installs etc.)<br>><br>> Have you found any interest from anyone that is willing
<br>> to create the windows side of the installer?<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> Todd<br><br>I've updated the wiki per your comments. I'm glad that you are<br>enthusiastic about this idea, but so far it's just you and me. I of
<br>course would love to help out in any way to make this idea a reality,<br>but my lack of any coding skills prevents me from doing anything to get<br>this going. Do you (or anybody else reading this thread) have the<br>
skills to get this going, or do you know where to look for people who<br>might? I'm pretty new to the Ubuntu community, so I'm not really sure<br>where to look.</blockquote><div><br>
I will look into I see what I can do. I would be interested if<br>
someone on the breezy development team would be happy <br>
to see this done as an alternative method of installation<br>
or have any thoughts.<br>
<br>
I will keep in touch on this thread (cc me please)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Todd<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Michael<br></blockquote></div><br>