<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"><TITLE></TITLE></HEAD> <BODY>  <TABLE width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign="top"> <DIV align="left"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Been reading this thread and have a couple of (possibly useful comments).</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">A newbie mailing list may seem like a good idea but there is a danger that it is only going to be subscribed to by newbie. Mailing list tend to be a two way street. You subscribe because you need help and if you spot something you can help with you do so. There are some selfless individuals who subscribe mainly to help people, and I applaud them, but they are in the minority.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">As for always providing GUI solutions, while this is a good idea it is not always possible/easy. Windows users are often wary at first of the command line but it is not that difficult to get a command prompt and cut/paste a command from an email. It is often quicker for someone to give a command line solution than tell people where something is on a menu structure and tell them what fields to fill in etc. Everyday operation of a system will not need the command line for most people but when things go wrong/need setting up it can be invaluable. Please give it a try - The command line is your friend.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">>>> "s.roman" <s.roman@gmail.com> 10/03/04 04:12am >>></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think have a ubuntu newbie mailing list would be awesome. currently</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">im getting all emails from the ubuntu mailising list so that if i</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">needed to fix anything I could just search through it instead of</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">emailing about the same problem again, but there are so many emails</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">about complex solutions to simple problems that it's overwhelming. I</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">haven't installed Ubuntu yet, but am planning to do so soon, and</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">coming from windows I have no idea on how to use linux. Hope this</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">email wasn't too confusing.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Roman</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:38:42 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <mdz@canonical.com> wrote:</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:39:15PM -0400, Richard Schinnell wrote:</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > There has to be a better way to figure out and recommend solutions to new</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > Linux (Ubuntu) users problems.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> In an ideal world, you would be able to solve all of your problems through</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> the GUI. New tools are being written and enhanced all the time to move</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> toward this goal, but there is still a Linux system underneath it all, and</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> when the time comes to debug a problem, it's very useful to be able to peek</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> under the hood.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Ubuntu is in what is essentially a public beta period right now, and there</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> are still some significant bugs being worked out. Debugging things with</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> users who are familiar with the command line accelerates this process, and</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> gets us more quickly to the point where everything Just Works for all users.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> That accounts for a lot of the command-line traffic you see here.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Yet another segment of it is just Linux users helping one another. If a</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> user has past experience with Linux, they likely already have command-line</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> skills, and welcome answers in that form.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> This doesn't mean that if you are a stranger to the command line, then</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Ubuntu is not for you. Quite the contrary, we are working hard to bring</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Ubuntu to a broad audience of computer users, including those without Linux</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> experience. But if you have Linux experience, that's a useful language in</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> which to converse about Ubuntu.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > I have problems getting a printer installed on my stand alone Ubuntu</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > machine.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > I have a windows 2003 network with a few XP workstations and a couple of</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > Linksys print servers for a HP LJ 4000 and a HPLJ 3330.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > I have shared the printers on a couple of workstations and even did it on</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > the server. I know the ip of the print servers but can not get either to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > print a test page.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> What happens when you try?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > Maybe Linux and the graphics interface still has a way to go to be able to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > bring the unwashed and unworthy into the Linux fold.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> We've only just begun. :-)</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> --</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> - mdz</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> --</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> ubuntu-users mailing list</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">-- </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">ubuntu-users mailing list</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">______________________________________________________________________</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">For more information please visit <a href="http://www.messagelabs.com/email">http://www.messagelabs.com/email</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">______________________________________________________________________</font></div> <BR> ______________________________________________________________________<BR> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. 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