<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"><TITLE></TITLE></HEAD> <BODY>  <TABLE width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign="top"> <DIV align="left"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Generaly agree but would like to point out that MacOS X is generaly pre-installed and only needs to work on a very small number of different hardware configurations.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Also the average windows user probably douse not install windows themselves, they either get a mate to do it or it is pre-installed.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ben</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">>>> Brett Kirksey <ubuntu-users@valx.mailshell.com> 10/03/04 05:51pm >>></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">On Sunday 03 October 2004 at 18:25+0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Am Sonntag, den 03.10.2004, 11:12 -0400 schrieb GR Gaudreau:</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > . . . but if you wish to learn the command line and its</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > powers -- and it's powerful! -- then you have to go to "the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > dark place" and practice, and you won't do that if you</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > aren't challenged to learn; and techie talk is, to me, a</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > challenge to learn.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> assuming that the average user wants this, but i think the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> average user will just want to use her desktop and the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> applications....</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Yes, yes, yes! This is what I've been saying over and over again</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">in several posts. Traditionally, the average Linux attitude is,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">"Look at all this power and complexity. You too can learn it</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">young Jedi, I will teach you. But only after I guide you through</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">the initiation of 'The Install' will you get to wield the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">'Command Line' saber." The problem is the average user doesn't</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">_want_ the power or complexity or command line. They just</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">want a stable operating system that's easy to work with.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > Linux is about power, stability, power, usefulness,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > security, power -- did I mention power? :-) -- well you get</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > the picture. The command line is one of the most, if not</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> > THE most powerful tools in Linux. . .</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> getting back to my above statement, how many win users do you</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> know that are able to tweak their registry? if ubuntu wants</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> to cope with the huge userbase out there, ther is a _must_ to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> make the distribution accessible for the non techie (the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> "just works approach"). </font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Whatever happened to "Linux is about ease of use." Like it or</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">not Mac OS X has a unix core and a command line. Ninety-five</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">percent of the Mac users have no knowledge or desire to use it.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">They have a sleek, powerful, stable, and user friendly operating</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">system that just works. And they have "power" if they wish to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">seek it. But they don't have to become a "techie" just to get</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">their OS installed, listen to some music, browse the Web, and</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">send an e-mail. Linux can be like this and Ubuntu could be the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">first--if the traditional Linux user will let it.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> it's nice that you aim to learn more about "this stuff under</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> the hood" and you're very welcome to aks every question i can</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> answer, but the masses (my parents, the average surfer guy,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> your grandma, whoever) should not need to become a mechanic</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> to drive their cars ;-)</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I could not say it any better!</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">If Ubuntu is going to make the impact it has the potential for,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">the traditional Linux user running should probably be prepared</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">to welcome users who aren't like them (i.e. they don't work on</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">their computers for fun--they want their computers to "just</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">work.") There are some great people on this list and many that</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">are eager to make Linux as easy as possible. But I think there</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">are still a few who have their egos tied to their tech</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">knowledge, and it would be an insult to have a "newbie" able to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">get a system running without any special knowledge.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Brett</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">-- </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">ubuntu-users mailing list</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a> </font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">______________________________________________________________________</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">For more information please visit <a href="http://www.messagelabs.com/email">http://www.messagelabs.com/email</a> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">______________________________________________________________________</font></div> <div> </div> <BR> ______________________________________________________________________<BR> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. 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