Does somebody use both, current Intel and AMD tower PCs?

Mon Mar 20 13:00:19 UTC 2023

On 20/3/23 18:56, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 23:13 +0000, Liam Proven asked David Fletcher:
>> to be a lot more specific.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> related to some research at least I can be more specific.
> 
> I haven't looked for the best prices yet and didn't calculate the PSU. I
> want an oversized PSU, but it shouldn't be way to oversized.
> 
> Any comments on those components are welcome.
> 
> CPU
> ====
> Intel Core i3-13100, 4C/8T, 3.40-4.50GHz, boxed
> 13. Generation (Raptor Lake-S)
> Intel® UHD Graphics
> LGA 1700
> 149.65 €
> 
> Note, I care for power consumption of the CPU. This one is TDP 60-89 W.
> I'm in favour of < 60 W and don't tolerate >= 90 W.
> 
> 
> Mobo
> ====
> GIGABYTE B660 DS3H    DDR4 (1700) without Wireless & Bluetooth
> 127.95 €
> GIGABYTE B660 DS3H AX DDR4 (1700) with    Wireless & Bluetooth [1]
> 129.90 €
> https://www.gigabyte.com/de/Motherboard/B660-DS3H-AX-DDR4-rev-10-11#kf
> compatible with Core I3-13100
> Chipset  Intel® B660 Express Chipset
> Support for DDR5 4800/4000 MT/s memory modules
> Support for DDR4 3200/3000/2933/2666/2400/2133 MT/s memory modules
> SATA intern 4x 6 Gb/s
> PCI Express x16 5x
> M.2 (1) M.2/M-Key (PCIe 4.0 x4,22110)
> M.2 (2) M.2/M-Key (PCIe 4.0 x4)
> PS/2 1x
> LAN 1x Gb LAN (Realtek)
> ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm
> 
> [1]
> AMD Wi-Fi 6E RZ608 (MT7921K) l
> WIFI a, b, g, n, ac, ax, supporting 2.4/5/6 GHz carrier frequency bands
> BLUETOOTH 5.2
> Support for 11ax 80MHz wireless standard and up to 1.2 Gbps data rate
> 
> The device is supported by kernel versions 5.17 and newer according to
> the LKDDb, unfortunately I try to stay wit 4.19-rt kernels, since for
> newer rt-patched kernels DKMS might not build VBox modules. I can't say
> for sure for 5.17.
> 
> https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_600series-bios_e_v2.pdf?v=ca9927f139934572761910bee3abc1ef
> pro Enables or disables UEFI CSM (Compatibility Support Module) to
>      support a legacy PC boot process.
> con There seems to be no option to turn of WiFi and Bluetooth
> 
> SSD
> ===
> KIOXIA EXCERIA SSD 1TB, NVMe
> 95.50 €
> M.2-2280-Formfaktor
> PCIe®-Gen3-x4-Lane
> 
> It is not listed by the mobo's "Qualified Vendors List", but the TOSHIBA
> OCZ RD400 RVD-M22280-512G (M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4 32Gb/s512GB 2280 Gen3
> x4) is listed.
> 
> In addition I will use 5 of my old SATA SSDs (all TOSHIBA OCZ and
> KIOXIA), 2 of them with my old PCIe to SATA controller. Since my old DVD
> drive isn't in an optimal condition, I will buy one of the cheapest
> drives. Not the cheapest, but still one of the cheapest is an
> ASUS DRW-24D5MT (I read about M-Disc support for the very first time). I
> will buy this or something similar for <= 20.00 € (I don't care for
> M-Disc, LightScribe would be nice, but it doesn't exist anymore).
> 
> RAM
> ===
> GSkill RipjawsV Kit of 2 F4-3200C16D-32GVK 79.20 €
> listet as compatible is  F4-3200C16D-16GVKB, I suspect it's the single
> version of the kit version
> 
> PSU and case
> ============
> This time I need a new case for two reasons, I will keep my old machine
> and the old case is in a bad condition, actually already unsuitable for
> my current mobo.
> 
> Regarding the PSU I consider to buy something oversized and energy
> efficient like the Argus GPS-800, ATX, 80+ Gold, 800 W, 72.80 € or a
> cheaper one as a 700 W XILENCE XN046 Xilence XP700 Performance C
> 47.95 €.
> 
> The cheapest cases with lots of space for drives and 2 USB 3 front ports
> provided by the shop I buy most of my cables, soldering tin etc..
> 
> Who knows how durable those USB ports are? The USB 3 front ports are not
> necessarily needed, since a separated front-panel does cost around
> 10.00 €.
> 
> Inter-Tech Midi-Tower IT-5905 41.95 €
> Sharkoon VS4-V ATX Gehäuse    50.95 €
> 
> I like the look of the cheaper case better, than the look of the other
> case.
> 
> Depending where I would order those or similar components, it would be
> around 149.65€+129.90€+95.50€+20.00€+79.20€+72.80€+41.95€= 589.00 €
>                                                             ========
> 
> For me that is a lot of money. However, AMD isn't less expensive, it
> does cost more or less the same, but might provide more computing power
> and consume less electrical power.
> 
> My current PC is a dual-core 6.60.3 Intel Celeron CPU G1840 2.80GHz, the
> mobo is a GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H, RAM 16 GiB, with two sound cards, for
> audio and MIDI a PCIe RME HDSPe AIO and for MIDI only a PCI
> TerraTec EWX24/96. With a new mobo I can only use the PCIe card or I
> need to test, if a PCIe to PCI adapter card doesn't cause issues such as
> MIDI jitter.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
With all of that cost, I wonder at the wisdom of what you are doing.

I have a Medion computer that I bought from ALDI, a couple of years ago, 
for 299AUD, which is probably about 200 euros.

The computer has a i3 CPU, and came with 8GB RAM, and I had the RAM 
upgraded to 32GB; the maximum for the motherboard. It quite happily runs 
UbuntuMate 22.04 It is the only system upon which I am still running 
Ubuntu, and Linux Mint Mate 21.1, through multiple boot optioning (this 
or this or this). I am not sure which version of MS Windows it has on it 
- I only boot it into Linux.

At present, I use that computer for only modifying the content of my web 
sites - I have not, since switching to Linux Mint, been able to get the 
filezilla configurations for my websites hostings, successfully copied 
to Linux Mint, for filezilla, to be able to use filezilla for uploading 
the source code files, so, I modify the web site content files on a USB 
external SSD, where I store them, on one computer, then, transfer the 
SSD from my primary computer, to the Medion computer, switch to the 
Medion/Ubuntu computer, to upload the new web site content files.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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