Ubuntu installers?

[M. Fioretti]

On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 21:35:42 PM +1100, Owen Thomas wrote:

> You might still have to use multiple package managers for a while
> until it catches on generally that one particular package manager
> has been chosen by the community to be used preferentially.

Owen,

once more, nothing personal, no offense meant etc... but honestly, I
stopped reading here, because observations like this just make it
increasingly likely that you haven't understood yet the COMPLETE size,
scope, true nature... of the problem you submitted to the list, and of
which you have suffered so far only the smallest, simplest parts. In
addition to all the managers you listed
there are:

Nodejs is a package manager ONLY for JAVA software

CPAN is a package manager ONLY for Perl software

PIP is a package manager ONLY for Python software

gem is a package manager ONLY for Ruby software

etc etc..

and no one of those package managers is able or will ever be able due
to its nature and the goals of its developers, to handle anything else
than stuff for its own native language. all those thing were invented
EXACTLY because their developers did not want to use anything else:
not apt, not rpm, not snap, and so on.

None of those package managers will ever be able to be "used
preferentially" for all software one may install on Ubuntu. Not even
in theory, because their goal is exactly the opposite of what you
preach.

So today if you need one Perl application, and one in Python, and one
in Ruby and so on... you need to get mad with ALL of those package
managers, because the developers of those applications were ENCOURAGED
to package each for his own incompatible world, instead of being told
"this is idiotic, make only RPMs and DEBs"

And nothing of this is something that Ubuntu the distribution will be
ever be able to fix from within itself, or that may ever make it
converge on any " particular package manager". It's like e.g. the
French said let's all only eat French food in our homes, until the
whole world only cooks with French recipes. It's barking up a tree in
the wrong FOREST.

The most Ubuntu the distribution could do would be promote a petition
to beg EXTERNAL developers to stop this crap.
	   			Marco
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