Plasma update?

[rikona]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:04:48 +0100
Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 05:00, rikona <rikona at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> > As I said in my original email, this was a POPUP WINDOW with the
> > following, between the "s, in the POPUP WINDOW:  
> 
> That doesn't really answer the question, but if you don't know what
> program it was, that is OK. Don't obsess over it.

The window popped up by itself, not by anything I did, so I had no idea
why it was there. I could close it, but in a while it would pop up
again. Reminded me of the snap popup behavior I saw earlier. Is there a
way I could tell what program caused it?

Interestingly, after I DID click on 'update', which was a complete
failure, the popup has not come back. So it looks like SOME pgm thinks
I actually DID an update. :-)

<snip>

> Kubuntu is an OS. It's one thing.
> 
> You seem to think it's 2 things: that it's one thing, Ubuntu, wedged
> in with another thing, KDE. It's not. It's a whole.
> 
> Even if you installed ordinary GNOME Ubuntu and then installed KDE,
> it's still a whole. All software that comes from the Ubuntu
> repositories is part of Ubuntu. It's one integral unit.
> 
> When you update it, you update all of it, in one go.

OK - I finally get it. Thanks. Part of the confusion was the large
number of 'failure' descriptions I saw on the net, where the fix was a
complete reinstall. Or, install Ubuntu and then add the KDE desktop.

<snip a great food-based description> :-)

> But the KDE bit goes bad faster than the text-only bits and you need
> to use that up and replace it.

Need to do it soon before the milk becomes buttermilk. :-))

> If you have Kubuntu and you update Kubuntu you update *all of
> Kubuntu*.

OK - I'm assuming it does not update other software, such as Pale Moon, Claws mail, etc.

> 
> > Any idea why the 'upgrade' via the popup window was a total
> > failure? Is the CLI route really always the best way to go?  
> 
> No idea really. I do not use Kubuntu. I do not like KDE. Sorry, can't
> help you there.
> 
> One of the big reasons Linux techies advise command-line based tools
> is that we can give you exactly what to type, and you can copy and
> paste that on the computer itself, which means it's very unlikely to
> introduce typos or misspellings or CAPITALS where it needs to be small
> or whatever.
> 
> And similarly, if or when it replies, you can copy and paste that.
> 
> Whereas with graphical apps, you can't. Which is why you are reduced
> to trying to _described_ a pop-up box on your computer, something I
> have never seen and probably never will, and I don't know exactly what
> you mean. So I can't trouble shoot it.

Understood, and I agree. GUI stuff can be hard to describe, especially
if some error occurred which is not evident in the GUI.

> There may have been an extra icon down in the system notification area
> with more info that is vital, but you didn't notice it and so you are
> not telling me. I can't work from that. Maybe someone who knew Kubuntu
> could, but I don't know Kubuntu. I occasionally evaluate it and write
> about it, e.g.
> 
> https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/01/kubuntu_and_lubuntu_get_optionalextra/
> 
> If you look at the first and second screenshot there, there's a big
> and important difference between them. Can you spot it?
> 
>  Hint: it is not any text on screen.
> 
> This is an intentional test, in an attempt to try to illustrate the
> problem of describing a picture in words

Good article. Wish I had seen it earlier. #2 has a floating taskbar,
and yes that might be missed, and rather hard to describe well.

Thanks again, much appreciate your help and wisdom,
Rik