Installing 21.04

[Hund]

On April 27, 2021 6:33:24 PM GMT+02:00, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 17:11, Hans via ubuntu-users
><ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In the system requirements I read that I need (at least) 4GB of memory.
>> How strict is this number? My systems all have 2GB, and video uses a part of it, and I did experience troubles during installing 20.04.
>
>2GB is *very* little by modern standards. For a contemporary PC, 8GB
>is a small amount of RAM, 16GB is moderate, 32GB is good. My
>home-office machine has 12GB and it's starting to struggle.
>
>The limitation of not being able to access all of 4GB of RAM is why
>most modern OSes moved to 64-bit, that is x86-64. x86-32 maxes out at
>3-and-a-bit gigabytes.
>
>However x86-64 is a little less efficient than x86-32. x86-64 code
>uses more memory. So, something marginal with a 32-bit OS is
>below-marginal for a 64-bit OS.
>
>2GB is marginal for 32-bit OSes, and so below marginal for 64-bit. I
>would say 4GB is the cutoff for 64-bit OSes. If you have less than
>4GB, stick with 32-bit OSes or add more memory.
>
>> After installing, my requirements are modest: network-manager (for handling lan/WiFi/wlan), Firefox, evince (reading PDFs), cups (for printing).
>
>So, you want a GUI with a desktop.
>
>That is not minimal by modern standards, I'm afraid.
>
>It is usable for a server with no graphical interface, and even then it's low.
>
>> Any chance? Experiences?
>
>Ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 no longer offer 32-bit editions. They are 64-bit only.
>
>You might be able to use one of the lighter-weight desktops such as
>Lubuntu or Xubuntu, but it will be sluggish.
>
>If you cannot upgrade your machines, then I would suggest you consider
>switching to a distribution that still offers a 32-bit edition. There
>are a few left:
>* Debian
>* Mageia
>* Raspberry Pi OS
>
>There are many more niche ones, such as Void Linux, but they require
>considerable technical skill.
>
>
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With all due respect, can we please stop with this nonsense? Your *opinion* (or mine for that matter) is not *a fact* or some universal rule that can be applied on anyone or anything.

For you, 8 GB of RAM might be a small amount, but that doesn't make it into a general rule that can be applied for everyone in every scenario.

Saying that 16 GB of RAM is "moderate" and 32 GB of RAM is "good" without any context, is like saying "1 million euro is not a lot of money". And absolutely, if you live in a rather privileged country and you have a minor fortune on your banking account, it might not be a lot of money for you. For others though, I can be the difference of living on the streets and having a decent life with your own house and food on your dinner table.

With that said. I have 13 year old computer with 2 GB of RAM. It's running Gentoo with two virtual servers. One of those hosts my personal cloud. The computer itself function as a regular desktop computer. The only time I use my swap is when I want to compile larger packages, other than that; two gigabytes of RAM is just fine, *for me*.

I understand that you mean well, but don't present your personal opinion am general facts or rules for scenarios you haven't even been presented with for people who might not know better and then spend hard earned money on things they might don't need or possible couldn't really afford to begin with.

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Hund