Installing 21.04

[Liam Proven]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 22:02, Hans via ubuntu-users
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
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> Since distro’s embraced systemD and journald, the mem footprint drastically increased. (This might be coincidence)

Indeed. And this is part of it. Also, Javascript: big chunks of GNOME
3, and thus Cinnamon too (as it's a fork) are implemented in this
atrociously-inefficient language. "Managed languages" such as .NET and
Java (and anything on the JVM) are inefficient, too.

Also, modern web browsers.

> I’m already using 64-but since 14.04.
> There’s hardly any difference in mem consumption.

I am glad you're finding it acceptable. In my experience, 64-bit was
barely usable in 3GB a few years ago and now I am not sure I'd want to
try. I have a copy of "Windows 7 Thin PC", the supposed thin-client
edition. It is sluggish and unresponsive in 2GB on a dual-core Atom.

> Unfortunately, we’re stuck with a supplier only making a (tiny in size) driver, only for Ubuntu-lts, and Cent-OS. So, stuck.

Oh my. That's bad. Dare I ask what? Is this driver 64-bit only?

Ubuntu is based on Debian -- would the driver work on Debian?

> Alas, upgrading ain’t no option.
> For two machines, no problem, for 20, neither.
> But in my case: over 20,000 machines!
> So, no show.

Aargh! That is indeed a big problem.



On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 22:24, Hans via ubuntu-users
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
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> I do dare to disagree.
> I date back from the (2.0-kernels) days when 64MB was considered huge. And enough to run gnome or kde, and having Firefox and LibreOffice (then still StarOffice) and a dozen daemons.

Oh, yes, me too. The office PC I first tried Linux on had 32MB in
1996; the first home machine I tried (and failed) to install Slackware
on had 8MB.

> This ever increasing binary footprint, for basic operations is beyond reason.

I agree.

> And far worse: people considering this ‘normal’. It ain’t.

I agree.

> For people doing nlve, ray-tracing, coin-delving, or having huge databases entirely in-mem, it’s understandable, no problem with that.


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