Snaps & flatpacks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 13:31:22 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:40 AM Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users
><ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 22:14:00 +0200, Tom H wrote:  
>>>On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:35 AM Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users
>>><ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:  
>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:18:02 -0500, Jim wrote:  
>>>>>
>>>>> So would this be a limitation of flatpacks or how this one was
>>>>> implemented and if it was a limitation of flatpacks could a snap
>>>>> have the same problem?  
>>>>
>>>> just install and test it ;).
>>>>
>>>> If you subscribe to a lot of mailing lists you will notice that
>>>> there is quasi zero acceptance for snaps and just a little bit of
>>>> acceptance for flatpacks. Both are immature and especially the
>>>> immature sandbox approach does cause the issues you described.
>>>> However, snaps do not just suffer from the sandbox issue.
>>>>
>>>> A Claws developer:
>>>> https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2020-July/026474.html
>>>>
>>>> I've seen similar comments on most Linux related mailing lists I
>>>> join. Compared to that bad critic Flatpaks get way better, but
>>>> still bad critics, too. There are a few good critics for both, but
>>>> the vast majority of critics is everything else but pro.  
>>>
>>> No one ever likes change. There's no technical reason to claim that
>>> snap-installed apps are worse than apt/dnf/emerge/pacman-installed
>>> apps.  
>>
>> See
>>
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2020-September/018782.html
>>  
>
>Do you think that the snap maintainer would've released that snap if
>it had crashed for him? Bugs happen, with dpkg and snap, whether
>related to the packaging or not. There wouldn't be any bug trackers
>for dpkg-based packages if they were all perfect.

You are missing the debugging point. You are missing all the users
complaining on upstream mailing lists.

However, I'm not intereasted in discussion this topic any further.

>
>
>>>> On https://snapcraft.io/ there's a list of Linux distributions
>>>> creating the impression that those distributions support snaps. At
>>>> least "Arch Linux" does not, never did and most unlikely ever will.
>>>> That it's possible to use it, doesn't mean that it's supported.  
>>>
>>> Are you saying that snaps can't be installed on Arch or other cited
>>> distributions? I doubt that snapcraft.io would lie about this.  
>>
>> You can install Snaps on Arch Linux, but Snaps are not supported by
>> the Arch Linux distribution.  
>
>That's the usual "we didn't package so we don't support it."

A lot of reasons, such as security issues.